Anonymous wrote:I had been a lifelong Republican, but I've voted Democrat the last 2 presidential elections, since Trump was nominee. And I will vote for Harris this time.

I miss the normal Republican party - not this cult party we have now with a man of zero character and leadership remaking it in his own image. I know every politician spins and deflects to some extent, but Trump's incessant and compulsive lying is next level. His disrespect for the Constitution and America is disqualifying.

Which brave Republicans have risked being on Trump's retribution/enemies list to say "don't vote for this man" and that they are not voting for him? I want to remember and celebrate them.

The only way to get the normal Republican party back is if we defeat Trump (for the second time) definitively.

Who else wants the normal, sane, rational Republican party back? This dystopian alt-right cult version is unrecognizable and disturbing.

No that party is gone and never coming back. Remember before Trump came along the Republican Party was in the process of rejected the Republican Party leadership and imploding. Trump crushed everyone of the “leading” republicans in 2016 primary race. He has now put his people in place throughout the party. Those people will need to be removed or replaced but there is only loyal Trump people in the party now.

The Dems have majority problems of their own. Look how badly they are doing against Trump.

Same, tbh. I’m embarrassed by the MAGA crowd. Make politics boring again. Too many wannabe social media stars in office just trying to say outrageous things to go viral instead of actually helping their constituents.

Anonymous wrote:You’re not getting the normal war mongering Republican Party back.

They’ve joined with modern Democrats.

We aren’t getting a sane normal Democrat Party back either.

So you don't think Biden, Harris, Jeffries, Raskin, Whitehouse, Coons is normal and sane?

You’re not getting the normal war mongering Republican Party back.

They’ve joined with modern Democrats.

We aren’t getting a sane normal Democrat Party back either.

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Anonymous wrote:I had been a lifelong Republican, but I've voted Democrat the last 2 presidential elections, since Trump was nominee. And I will vote for Harris this time.

I miss the normal Republican party - not this cult party we have now with a man of zero character and leadership remaking it in his own image. I know every politician spins and deflects to some extent, but Trump's incessant and compulsive lying is next level. His disrespect for the Constitution and America is disqualifying.

Which brave Republicans have risked being on Trump's retribution/enemies list to say "don't vote for this man" and that they are not voting for him? I want to remember and celebrate them.

The only way to get the normal Republican party back is if we defeat Trump (for the second time) definitively.

Who else wants the normal, sane, rational Republican party back? This dystopian alt-right cult version is unrecognizable and disturbing.

Short version: you miss the old days of the 70’s , when republicans held 100 seats on congress and knew their place, and would lose with dignity and then go golfing with Ted or Tip.


Yeah, no. Not interested in that.

The issue in the 70's and 80's was the ongoing shift that started after the passage of the Civil Right Act. You had new southern Evangelical republicans along with dixiecrat democrats, so there was a lot of alignment on the Congress floors between the two parties. That all sorted out by 1992 when Newt was at his highest power and started the GOP down the path that logically ended where we are now with Trump and MAGAism.

There are a few things at play.

First, the 2016 GOP included the previous voter coalition of traditional conservatives, evangelicals and suburban voters. Trump brought in the MAGAs (aka the basket of deplorables) which made the party viable in the key swing states. Without all 3, the GOP in its current incarnation is not a viable party nationally. With abortion, the dog caught the car and without Trump, the MAGAs will be hard pressed to support a non-Trumpy replacement, so you are left with "traditional conservatives" who generally support - less government intrusion in daily lives (like abortion) strong defense and international leadership (like with Ukraine and Israel) and strong moral values like abiding by the law and the constitution.

Sounds like like the current democrat leadership, no?

Obviously those traditional conservatives are not for universal healthcare or some of the further left ideas, but what are their ideas other than opposing what democrats propose?

In other words, the party opposite the Dems will have to develop a whole new agenda that may align in some areas with the Democrats.

My guess over time, is that the progressives take over the Dems, and the moderates and traditional conservatives form a new (Lincoln) party and the MAGAs are left with the husk of the GOP.

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Anonymous wrote:Prominent Republicans who have gone on record to stand up to Trump by saying either they won't vote for Trump and/or he's unfit to lead:

1) Mike Pence (trump's vp)

2) Mitt Romney (former gov and R senator)

3) Dick Cheney (former vp of bush 2 terms)

4) Condeleeza Rice (former Sec of State)

5) William Cohen (R senator, congress and Sec of Defense)

6) Susan Collins (R senator)

7) Lisa Murkowski (R senator)

also liz cheney, and many republican generals who served under trump (mcmaster, mattis, milley, kelly).

george w bush has repeatedly refused to endorse trump and also skipped the RNC.

40 out of 44 of Trump's Cabinet and senior officials have refused to endorse him.

Wow that's a bleak indictment on Trump.

It's been known for close to four years. Sadly most MAGAs refuse to acknowledge this or simply deny that the most senior and closest advisors want nothing to do with him leading the country.

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Anonymous wrote:Prominent Republicans who have gone on record to stand up to Trump by saying either they won't vote for Trump and/or he's unfit to lead:

1) Mike Pence (trump's vp)

2) Mitt Romney (former gov and R senator)

3) Dick Cheney (former vp of bush 2 terms)

4) Condeleeza Rice (former Sec of State)

5) William Cohen (R senator, congress and Sec of Defense)

6) Susan Collins (R senator)

7) Lisa Murkowski (R senator)

also liz cheney, and many republican generals who served under trump (mcmaster, mattis, milley, kelly).

george w bush has repeatedly refused to endorse trump and also skipped the RNC.

Deep stare swamp

How about we scale back the power of the federal government so that federal elections have less at stake?

That way Tennessee won’t fear being forced to live like NY and California won’t be afraid of having to live like West VA.

We would all be much happier.

Anonymous wrote:You didn't like the TEA Party either, did you?

They were a precursor to MAGA and were not serious legislators and were never willing to make any concessions.

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Anonymous wrote:Prominent Republicans who have gone on record to stand up to Trump by saying either they won't vote for Trump and/or he's unfit to lead:

1) Mike Pence (trump's vp)

2) Mitt Romney (former gov and R senator)

3) Dick Cheney (former vp of bush 2 terms)

4) Condeleeza Rice (former Sec of State)

5) William Cohen (R senator, congress and Sec of Defense)

6) Susan Collins (R senator)

7) Lisa Murkowski (R senator)

also liz cheney, and many republican generals who served under trump (mcmaster, mattis, milley, kelly).

george w bush has repeatedly refused to endorse trump and also skipped the RNC.

40 out of 44 of Trump's Cabinet and senior officials have refused to endorse him.

Wow that's a bleak indictment on Trump.

Anonymous wrote:Not OP, but we are looking for adults with intelligence and common sense back in the Repugnant party, not a bunch of rubes.

Same.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Prominent Republicans who have gone on record to stand up to Trump by saying either they won't vote for Trump and/or he's unfit to lead:

1) Mike Pence (trump's vp)

2) Mitt Romney (former gov and R senator)

3) Dick Cheney (former vp of bush 2 terms)

4) Condeleeza Rice (former Sec of State)

5) William Cohen (R senator, congress and Sec of Defense)

6) Susan Collins (R senator)

7) Lisa Murkowski (R senator)

also liz cheney, and many republican generals who served under trump (mcmaster, mattis, milley, kelly).

george w bush has repeatedly refused to endorse trump and also skipped the RNC.

40 out of 44 of Trump's Cabinet and senior officials have refused to endorse him.

Not OP, but we are looking for adults with intelligence and common sense back in the Repugnant party, not a bunch of rubes.

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Anonymous wrote:I had been a lifelong Republican, but I've voted Democrat the last 2 presidential elections, since Trump was nominee. And I will vote for Harris this time.

I miss the normal Republican party - not this cult party we have now with a man of zero character and leadership remaking it in his own image. I know every politician spins and deflects to some extent, but Trump's incessant and compulsive lying is next level. His disrespect for the Constitution and America is disqualifying.

Which brave Republicans have risked being on Trump's retribution/enemies list to say "don't vote for this man" and that they are not voting for him? I want to remember and celebrate them.

The only way to get the normal Republican party back is if we defeat Trump (for the second time) definitively.

Who else wants the normal, sane, rational Republican party back? This dystopian alt-right cult version is unrecognizable and disturbing.

Short version: you miss the old days of the 70’s , when republicans held 100 seats on congress and knew their place, and would lose with dignity and then go golfing with Ted or Tip.


Yeah, no. Not interested in that.

That is not a coherent argument. That is just vague emotional posturing that is meant to be combative rather than thoughtful.