Anonymous
Post 10/24/2024 12:53     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
Anonymous wrote:So unless you are an Olympic level talent, you should swim for ncap or rmsc? I’m not even disagreeing with the point that a great training group can enhance a swimmers training. But you do know that other clubs besides the mega clubs also have some pretty fast training groups right. It isn’t some crazy drop off that you think it might be


You can pull up the rosters on these teams (say a mid size team) and you generally see a big drop off in the talent. They will have one or maybe two really fast swimmers and then a gap to their good ones. They don't have enough to fill a lane, let alone several lanes or a group.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2024 12:49     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
Anonymous wrote:The most important thing for the development of your swimmer is finding a coach that you work well with and a coach that has a great developmental plan for you. Ncap and Rmsc have great coaches who can do this, but so do smaller and mid sized teams. Torri Huske managed to do okay without training with ncap. Too many parents obsess over the big clubs and feeling like their kid has to train with the fastest kids


First off, AAC is a large (extra large club). It is not mid- nor small. Huske had a training cohort because there were national level male swimmers. She also was extraordinary in her natural talent. To the point that she was training less during covid (and spending little time in the pool compared to what one would train at that level) and still was able to excel. She is also unusual in that she stayed with the same club throughout her career. Huske is very much an outlier in her crazy ability, so much so there are articles about her in that she doesn't have the usual characteristics of a swimmer yet still kicks ass.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2024 12:31     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
Anonymous wrote:So unless you are an Olympic level talent, you should swim for ncap or rmsc? I’m not even disagreeing with the point that a great training group can enhance a swimmers training. But you do know that other clubs besides the mega clubs also have some pretty fast training groups right. It isn’t some crazy drop off that you think it might be

I don’t know, I think it is a pretty substantial drop off for the top level swimmers. Definitely less of a drop off between the clubs for the good not great cohort, but I think it’s pretty obvious that there is a drop-off between the top training groups at RMSC, NCAP, Machine, ASA and AAC and the top training groups at the other clubs in the area.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2024 12:11     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
So unless you are an Olympic level talent, you should swim for ncap or rmsc? I’m not even disagreeing with the point that a great training group can enhance a swimmers training. But you do know that other clubs besides the mega clubs also have some pretty fast training groups right. It isn’t some crazy drop off that you think it might be
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2024 11:51     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
Anonymous wrote:The most important thing for the development of your swimmer is finding a coach that you work well with and a coach that has a great developmental plan for you. Ncap and Rmsc have great coaches who can do this, but so do smaller and mid sized teams. Torri Huske managed to do okay without training with ncap. Too many parents obsess over the big clubs and feeling like their kid has to train with the fastest kids

Torri Huske is an Olympic gold medalist. She is not the average high-level swimmer. Her talent level is so off the charts that it wouldn’t have mattered where she trained, and that is not a knock against AAC. For your “normal” talented kids whose goals are not as lofty as an Olympic gold medal, things like training cohorts do make a difference. Swimmers can generally only train to the level of the swimmers around them when they are not being coached individually. If you are training at a club where you are doing sets that are different than the other swimmers in your training group because you are that much faster, there comes a point where you wonder if you wouldn’t be better off at a club with multiple swimmers at your level to train with and feed off of.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2024 11:34     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
The most important thing for the development of your swimmer is finding a coach that you work well with and a coach that has a great developmental plan for you. Ncap and Rmsc have great coaches who can do this, but so do smaller and mid sized teams. Torri Huske managed to do okay without training with ncap. Too many parents obsess over the big clubs and feeling like their kid has to train with the fastest kids
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 17:23     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it based on four best times in the same stroke? That’s the only way it seems to make sense mathematically:

https://www.pvswim.org/athletes/outstandingathlete2324.html


I went back in years, and it is interesting that not all these swimmers stay on top (they could have moved to a different league as well). But Sadie Buckley (Makos) has consistency on this list.

Interestingly enough she transferred to NCAP this season as did one of RMSCs male swimmers on the list.


It looked like all the RMSC males stayed there.


But I think it is very normal for too swimmers to love clubs. We are at a large club and see swimmers bounce around.

Nope, there is one that is now at NCAP because he’s listed for an NCAP select meet next weekend.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 17:10     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it based on four best times in the same stroke? That’s the only way it seems to make sense mathematically:

https://www.pvswim.org/athletes/outstandingathlete2324.html


I went back in years, and it is interesting that not all these swimmers stay on top (they could have moved to a different league as well). But Sadie Buckley (Makos) has consistency on this list.

Interestingly enough she transferred to NCAP this season as did one of RMSCs male swimmers on the list.


It looked like all the RMSC males stayed there.


But I think it is very normal for too swimmers to love clubs. We are at a large club and see swimmers bounce around.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 16:52     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
Anonymous wrote:or maybe their family moved to Bethesda? or want to swim distance?

She did not transfer to Gtown Prep, she is at Burke.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 16:38     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
or maybe their family moved to Bethesda? or want to swim distance?
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 12:15     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it based on four best times in the same stroke? That’s the only way it seems to make sense mathematically:

https://www.pvswim.org/athletes/outstandingathlete2324.html


I went back in years, and it is interesting that not all these swimmers stay on top (they could have moved to a different league as well). But Sadie Buckley (Makos) has consistency on this list.

Interestingly enough she transferred to NCAP this season as did one of RMSCs male swimmers on the list.


I think that is inevitable. Swimmers like her have their sights set on National and Olympic competition. Makos is a great team but does not have the cohort to push her. If you look at most of the top swimmers then end up moving over to NCAP for that reason. Faster kids to practice with that are their age. I am surprised by RMSC though. They are the other big dog at the park. It might be a weak cohort for that gender/age or the kid might be plateauing or hitting a slump, so the hope would be to switch clubs to get a new coaching perspective that might get the swimmer over that hump.

You see a lot of talented swimmers stay at mid sized clubs and then stagnate. They do not have the cohort or they have had the same coaches/coaching philosophy and no longer getting anything new out of it.


The opposite happens as well. You also see talented swimmers move to bigger teams and stagnate. It's not always as simple as finding a faster cohort.


I would argue that swimmer already peaked. It would not matter where they went. You can see it when you chart the swimmers progress over years. And let's face it a swimmer that flatlines at 16 or 17, might be where they will be and not as attractive to colleges (unless that flat time is so good that it will score the points over four years). But a kid that is consistently trending up is a better gamble.

Look at alot of swimmers and you will see what you call "stagnate" - but sometimes the body has hit the top point of what it is able to do. Growing has ceased, perhaps they cannot get stronger (genetics), or their cardio has peaked, or they grew into unlucky body types for the sport that they are in.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 12:06     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it based on four best times in the same stroke? That’s the only way it seems to make sense mathematically:

https://www.pvswim.org/athletes/outstandingathlete2324.html


I went back in years, and it is interesting that not all these swimmers stay on top (they could have moved to a different league as well). But Sadie Buckley (Makos) has consistency on this list.

Interestingly enough she transferred to NCAP this season as did one of RMSCs male swimmers on the list.


I think that is inevitable. Swimmers like her have their sights set on National and Olympic competition. Makos is a great team but does not have the cohort to push her. If you look at most of the top swimmers then end up moving over to NCAP for that reason. Faster kids to practice with that are their age. I am surprised by RMSC though. They are the other big dog at the park. It might be a weak cohort for that gender/age or the kid might be plateauing or hitting a slump, so the hope would be to switch clubs to get a new coaching perspective that might get the swimmer over that hump.

You see a lot of talented swimmers stay at mid sized clubs and then stagnate. They do not have the cohort or they have had the same coaches/coaching philosophy and no longer getting anything new out of it.


The opposite happens as well. You also see talented swimmers move to bigger teams and stagnate. It's not always as simple as finding a faster cohort.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 11:45     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it based on four best times in the same stroke? That’s the only way it seems to make sense mathematically:

https://www.pvswim.org/athletes/outstandingathlete2324.html


I went back in years, and it is interesting that not all these swimmers stay on top (they could have moved to a different league as well). But Sadie Buckley (Makos) has consistency on this list.

Interestingly enough she transferred to NCAP this season as did one of RMSCs male swimmers on the list.


I think that is inevitable. Swimmers like her have their sights set on National and Olympic competition. Makos is a great team but does not have the cohort to push her. If you look at most of the top swimmers then end up moving over to NCAP for that reason. Faster kids to practice with that are their age. I am surprised by RMSC though. They are the other big dog at the park. It might be a weak cohort for that gender/age or the kid might be plateauing or hitting a slump, so the hope would be to switch clubs to get a new coaching perspective that might get the swimmer over that hump.

You see a lot of talented swimmers stay at mid sized clubs and then stagnate. They do not have the cohort or they have had the same coaches/coaching philosophy and no longer getting anything new out of it.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 11:41     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
Anonymous wrote:2023-24 web page says based on a formula of swims with highest Power Points

The 2022-23 and earlier web pages say awards based on nominations and then voting by coaches


Well is makes more sense to use the power point calculation rather than the popularity of the swimmers. There are many talented swimmers our there but power points makes it cleaner and fair. A swimmer just has to knock it out of the park for four events.
Anonymous
Post 10/23/2024 11:35     Subject: Can someone please explain this award’s formula?
2023-24 web page says based on a formula of swims with highest Power Points

The 2022-23 and earlier web pages say awards based on nominations and then voting by coaches