Anonymous
10/16/2024 23:31
Subject: Italy, France, Germany, and Spain outlaw surrogacy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s a law that de facto makes it impossible for gay couples to have children. It’s not progressive. In Italy it was advanced by the far right government.
It is impossible for gay couples to “have” children. Gay couples adopt a child born to a woman. But don’t let biology get in the way of your feelings or beliefs.
Well, obviously. Hence, the need for a surrogate. “To have children” in English means to be a parent, as well as “to give birth.”
Gays could adopt already born children. But they want to customize their child and also have a genetic link to one of them. So they pay some woman off who needs the money to carry a pregnancy.
Doesn’t that strike you as a little ethically murky??
Anonymous
10/16/2024 23:18
Subject: Italy, France, Germany, and Spain outlaw surrogacy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62rmv63069o
At the bottom of this article it mentions that “all forms of surrogacy” are banned in Italy, France, Germany, and Spain. This really surprises me that Western European countries, that are typically rather progressive, at least compared to the U.S. would have this type of policy.
Did you know that they also ban abortion in the third trimester?
Third trimester is week 28-40. That’s late and very rare.
So?
3rd trimester elective termination is still 100% lawful in D.C., New Jersey, and several other U.S. states, but is BANNED by these supposedly “progressive” EU countries.
Several have bans for second trimester as well.
Anonymous
10/16/2024 22:57
Subject: Italy, France, Germany, and Spain outlaw surrogacy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62rmv63069o
At the bottom of this article it mentions that “all forms of surrogacy” are banned in Italy, France, Germany, and Spain. This really surprises me that Western European countries, that are typically rather progressive, at least compared to the U.S. would have this type of policy.
Did you know that they also ban abortion in the third trimester?
Third trimester is week 28-40. That’s late and very rare.
So?
3rd trimester elective termination is still 100% lawful in D.C., New Jersey, and several other U.S. states, but is BANNED by these supposedly “progressive” EU countries.
True.
All countries in Europe only permit abortion later in pregnancy (after 10-14 weeks in most countries, 18 weeks in Sweden and Iceland, and 24 weeks in the Netherlands and Great Britain) if specific circumstances are present, generally when the pregnancy represents a serious danger to the life, or to the physical or mental health of the woman, or when a serious malformation or anomaly of the fetus is diagnosed.
Anonymous
10/16/2024 22:54
Subject: Italy, France, Germany, and Spain outlaw surrogacy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62rmv63069o
At the bottom of this article it mentions that “all forms of surrogacy” are banned in Italy, France, Germany, and Spain. This really surprises me that Western European countries, that are typically rather progressive, at least compared to the U.S. would have this type of policy.
Did you know that they also ban abortion in the third trimester?
Third trimester is week 28-40. That’s late and very rare.
So?
3rd trimester elective termination is still 100% lawful in D.C., New Jersey, and several other U.S. states, but is BANNED by these supposedly “progressive” EU countries.
Those EU countries have government funded abortion.
Anonymous
10/16/2024 22:41
Subject: Italy, France, Germany, and Spain outlaw surrogacy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62rmv63069o
At the bottom of this article it mentions that “all forms of surrogacy” are banned in Italy, France, Germany, and Spain. This really surprises me that Western European countries, that are typically rather progressive, at least compared to the U.S. would have this type of policy.
Did you know that they also ban abortion in the third trimester?
Third trimester is week 28-40. That’s late and very rare.
So?
3rd trimester elective termination is still 100% lawful in D.C., New Jersey, and several other U.S. states, but is BANNED by these supposedly “progressive” EU countries.
Anonymous
10/16/2024 22:30
Subject: Italy, France, Germany, and Spain outlaw surrogacy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s a law that de facto makes it impossible for gay couples to have children. It’s not progressive. In Italy it was advanced by the far right government.
It is impossible for gay couples to “have” children. Gay couples adopt a child born to a woman. But don’t let biology get in the way of your feelings or beliefs.
Well, obviously. Hence, the need for a surrogate. “To have children” in English means to be a parent, as well as “to give birth.”
Anonymous
10/16/2024 22:27
Subject: Italy, France, Germany, and Spain outlaw surrogacy?
Anonymous wrote:It’s a law that de facto makes it impossible for gay couples to have children. It’s not progressive. In Italy it was advanced by the far right government.
It is impossible for gay couples to “have” children. Gay couples adopt a child born to a woman. But don’t let biology get in the way of your feelings or beliefs.
Anonymous
10/16/2024 22:10
Subject: Italy, France, Germany, and Spain outlaw surrogacy?
Anonymous wrote:Yes, Spain bans surrogacy on the basis that it is exploitative for women and therefore women must be protected from exploitation of their bodies by making it illegal. Also if you use donor elements for reproduction, the doctor selects the donor, the intended parents cannot decide.
What does this mean? Rich Spaniards go to the US or other places to do surrogacy while poor Spaniards are out of luck and must accept their place in the world as childless peasants. There are no exceptions--not even if you're doing it for a family member, or completely altruistically for a stranger.
I don't see how they can fully stop it if the people involved are willing to have sex. If a would-be dad gets the surrogate pregnant and then she leaves, it's his kid. That arrangement seems like a worse outcome, from a social standpoint, than just allowing surrogacy.
Anonymous
10/16/2024 22:06
Subject: Italy, France, Germany, and Spain outlaw surrogacy?
Anonymous wrote:It’s a law that de facto makes it impossible for gay couples to have children. It’s not progressive. In Italy it was advanced by the far right government.
It's anatomy that makes that impossible.
Anonymous
10/16/2024 22:04
Subject: Italy, France, Germany, and Spain outlaw surrogacy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62rmv63069o
At the bottom of this article it mentions that “all forms of surrogacy” are banned in Italy, France, Germany, and Spain. This really surprises me that Western European countries, that are typically rather progressive, at least compared to the U.S. would have this type of policy.
I would disagree that those countries are progressive compared to the US. They are merely socialist.
This hurts couples with infertility, not just same sex couples. I know a woman who was a surrogate several times. The idea of her being exploited makes me laugh.
No one is guaranteed a child and if they have infertility too ba but exploiting poor women and endangering another woman's life is not the answer to infertility.
Anonymous
10/16/2024 22:00
Subject: Italy, France, Germany, and Spain outlaw surrogacy?
Anonymous wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62rmv63069o
At the bottom of this article it mentions that “all forms of surrogacy” are banned in Italy, France, Germany, and Spain. This really surprises me that Western European countries, that are typically rather progressive, at least compared to the U.S. would have this type of policy.
Good. It should be outlawed in the US as well. There is nothing progressive about wealthy women using poor women to have their babies because they don't want to lose their figured it they don't want to interrupt their careers. Surrogacy is despicable.
Anonymous
10/16/2024 21:56
Subject: Italy, France, Germany, and Spain outlaw surrogacy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62rmv63069o
At the bottom of this article it mentions that “all forms of surrogacy” are banned in Italy, France, Germany, and Spain. This really surprises me that Western European countries, that are typically rather progressive, at least compared to the U.S. would have this type of policy.
Did you know that they also ban abortion in the third trimester?
These countries have carve outs for health of mother, health of child, or mental health of mother.
Their socialized health care gives out free contraception and pays for abortions, so there’s no real reason a woman needs to wait until 18 weeks to get an elective abortion.
Anonymous
10/16/2024 21:43
Subject: Italy, France, Germany, and Spain outlaw surrogacy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62rmv63069o
At the bottom of this article it mentions that “all forms of surrogacy” are banned in Italy, France, Germany, and Spain. This really surprises me that Western European countries, that are typically rather progressive, at least compared to the U.S. would have this type of policy.
Did you know that they also ban abortion in the third trimester?
Third trimester is week 28-40. That’s late and very rare.
Anonymous
10/16/2024 21:43
Subject: Italy, France, Germany, and Spain outlaw surrogacy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s a law that de facto makes it impossible for gay couples to have children. It’s not progressive. In Italy it was advanced by the far right government.
Are gay couples allowed to adopt?
No.
Anonymous
10/16/2024 21:37
Subject: Italy, France, Germany, and Spain outlaw surrogacy?
Anonymous wrote:It’s a law that de facto makes it impossible for gay couples to have children. It’s not progressive. In Italy it was advanced by the far right government.
Are gay couples allowed to adopt?