Anonymous wrote:Columbus isn’t exactly someone to celebrate. He didn’t “find” anything that didn’t already exist.

My school will be talking about Indigenous Peoples day instead

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What school?

I never understood Columbus Day to be a celebration of Italian-American heritage. Is this an effort at rebranding?

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Anonymous wrote:Columbus isn’t exactly someone to celebrate. He didn’t “find” anything that didn’t already exist.

My school will be talking about Indigenous Peoples day instead

The irony here is that Columbus Day was first celebrated to combat anti-Catholic sentiment and oppression in the United States.

Columbus was no saint, and no he was not the first to set foot in the "New World". And, yes, we should honor those native to this land too, but let's not ignore that the intent of Columbus day was to include a previously marginalized population (i.e. Catholics) and combat the prejudice and discrimination that they faced. You don't need to celebrate the man, but his accomplishments and what they represent set off the chain of events that led to the society we live in today, for better or worse.

But now Catholics do an awful lot of the oppressing so the holiday seems outdated.

Clearly anti-Catholic bigotry is alive and well. Just because someone who is Catholic does something you despise does not mean "Catholics" as a whole have done it or agree with that person.

I'm assuming you are talking about politics here, and so it should be obvious to you that "Catholics" are not in one political party (D: Biden, Pelosi, etc. v. R: Murkowski, Collins, etc.), and the biggest conservative offenders are not Catholic (Trump, Mc Connell, etc.). The majority of Catholic Senators are Democrats, and only 12 of the 49 Republican Senators are Catholic. The "offensive" Supreme Court members were "chosen" by Republican non-Catholics, and there are Catholic Supreme Court members who are and have been on the liberal side of the Court, chosen by Democrats. The current Court composition reflects which party appointed, not which religion the Justice is, see. e.g. Obama appointed Catholic Justice Sotomayor and Roosevelt appointed Catholic Justice Murphy, one of the most liberal of our Justices.

Leonardo Da Vinci was one of the most amazing human beings who ever lived on this planet. Make his birthday a big Italian holiday and watch the world stand up and cheer.

Columbus was a gleeful pillager whose journals tell the story (in his own words) about what he did and thought about the people in the Americas.

Blech.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbus isn’t exactly someone to celebrate. He didn’t “find” anything that didn’t already exist.

My school will be talking about Indigenous Peoples day instead

The irony here is that Columbus Day was first celebrated to combat anti-Catholic sentiment and oppression in the United States.

Columbus was no saint, and no he was not the first to set foot in the "New World". And, yes, we should honor those native to this land too, but let's not ignore that the intent of Columbus day was to include a previously marginalized population (i.e. Catholics) and combat the prejudice and discrimination that they faced. You don't need to celebrate the man, but his accomplishments and what they represent set off the chain of events that led to the society we live in today, for better or worse.

Ironically, looks like he was Sephardi.

He probably converted. It was sort of mandatory at the time in Spain.

Anonymous wrote:Truly.. who cares about celebrating Italian heritage? Maybe if you’re Italian. But the rest of us? Don’t care

Vaffanculo.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbus isn’t exactly someone to celebrate. He didn’t “find” anything that didn’t already exist.

My school will be talking about Indigenous Peoples day instead

The irony here is that Columbus Day was first celebrated to combat anti-Catholic sentiment and oppression in the United States.

Columbus was no saint, and no he was not the first to set foot in the "New World". And, yes, we should honor those native to this land too, but let's not ignore that the intent of Columbus day was to include a previously marginalized population (i.e. Catholics) and combat the prejudice and discrimination that they faced. You don't need to celebrate the man, but his accomplishments and what they represent set off the chain of events that led to the society we live in today, for better or worse.

Ironically, looks like he was Sephardi.

Truly.. who cares about celebrating Italian heritage? Maybe if you’re Italian. But the rest of us? Don’t care

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Anonymous wrote:Columbus isn’t exactly someone to celebrate. He didn’t “find” anything that didn’t already exist.

My school will be talking about Indigenous Peoples day instead

The irony here is that Columbus Day was first celebrated to combat anti-Catholic sentiment and oppression in the United States.

Columbus was no saint, and no he was not the first to set foot in the "New World". And, yes, we should honor those native to this land too, but let's not ignore that the intent of Columbus day was to include a previously marginalized population (i.e. Catholics) and combat the prejudice and discrimination that they faced. You don't need to celebrate the man, but his accomplishments and what they represent set off the chain of events that led to the society we live in today, for better or worse.

Not just Catholics but Italian Americans in particular, who were heavily discriminated against. It’s sad that this has been lost in the debate, especially as the history of the holiday is something most of the people wanting to cancel Columbus Day would be sympathetic to.

The Biden White House recognizes this but apparently our schools can’t:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/10/11/a-proclamation-on-columbus-day-2024/#:~:text=In%2520commemoration%2520of%2520Christopher%2520Columbus,year%2520as%2520%E2%80%9CColumbus%2520Day.%E2%80%9D

Exactly correct. Thank you for setting some of these woke posters straight who are trying to reinvent the day to make themselves feel better.

You don’t think kids learn about Columbus? Why do we need a holiday for him? Or for Italians for that matter?

It sounds like the original impetus for Columbus Day was woke, just for Italians.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbus isn’t exactly someone to celebrate. He didn’t “find” anything that didn’t already exist.

My school will be talking about Indigenous Peoples day instead

The irony here is that Columbus Day was first celebrated to combat anti-Catholic sentiment and oppression in the United States.

Columbus was no saint, and no he was not the first to set foot in the "New World". And, yes, we should honor those native to this land too, but let's not ignore that the intent of Columbus day was to include a previously marginalized population (i.e. Catholics) and combat the prejudice and discrimination that they faced. You don't need to celebrate the man, but his accomplishments and what they represent set off the chain of events that led to the society we live in today, for better or worse.

Not just Catholics but Italian Americans in particular, who were heavily discriminated against. It’s sad that this has been lost in the debate, especially as the history of the holiday is something most of the people wanting to cancel Columbus Day would be sympathetic to.

The Biden White House recognizes this but apparently our schools can’t:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/10/11/a-proclamation-on-columbus-day-2024/#:~:text=In%2520commemoration%2520of%2520Christopher%2520Columbus,year%2520as%2520%E2%80%9CColumbus%2520Day.%E2%80%9D

I’m an Italian-American and confident that we don’t need Columbus Day anymore.

Okay, well I am too and all of the Italian American organizations disagree with you.

I’m fine if people want to make it about someone or something other than Columbus, but the holiday itself has an important history (ethnic/national discrimination) that should be preserved and taught.

And celebrating Indigenous Peoples’ Day would certainly never offer any lessons about ethnic or national discrimination.

/sarcasm

It would, but discrimination against other groups (not just Italians, but also Irish, Jews, etc.) is an important part of this country’s history and Columbus Day is a holiday that is the direct result of that. This is an opportunity to highlight and teach that history. Just because you’re ignorant of it doesn’t mean it should be ignored (in fact, it’s highlighting why it needs to be taught more).

My family is Italian and Irish. I’m well aware of the discrimination faced by successive waves of immigrants to this country. I don’t agree that Columbus Day ever successfully provided a message against such discrimination.

I agree it hasn’t. But that’s the problem. Too much focus on Columbus sailing and not enough focus on why Columbus Day became a federal holiday in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbus isn’t exactly someone to celebrate. He didn’t “find” anything that didn’t already exist.

My school will be talking about Indigenous Peoples day instead

The irony here is that Columbus Day was first celebrated to combat anti-Catholic sentiment and oppression in the United States.

Columbus was no saint, and no he was not the first to set foot in the "New World". And, yes, we should honor those native to this land too, but let's not ignore that the intent of Columbus day was to include a previously marginalized population (i.e. Catholics) and combat the prejudice and discrimination that they faced. You don't need to celebrate the man, but his accomplishments and what they represent set off the chain of events that led to the society we live in today, for better or worse.

Not just Catholics but Italian Americans in particular, who were heavily discriminated against. It’s sad that this has been lost in the debate, especially as the history of the holiday is something most of the people wanting to cancel Columbus Day would be sympathetic to.

The Biden White House recognizes this but apparently our schools can’t:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/10/11/a-proclamation-on-columbus-day-2024/#:~:text=In%2520commemoration%2520of%2520Christopher%2520Columbus,year%2520as%2520%E2%80%9CColumbus%2520Day.%E2%80%9D

Exactly correct. Thank you for setting some of these woke posters straight who are trying to reinvent the day to make themselves feel better.

I had a kindergartener color in a picture of Columbus and the ships once. Older kids don’t do anything in particular just enjoy the nice fall weather.

Kids learn about indigenous people just not that day. It’s just regular programming.

Catholic school, not Italian.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbus isn’t exactly someone to celebrate. He didn’t “find” anything that didn’t already exist.

My school will be talking about Indigenous Peoples day instead

The irony here is that Columbus Day was first celebrated to combat anti-Catholic sentiment and oppression in the United States.

Columbus was no saint, and no he was not the first to set foot in the "New World". And, yes, we should honor those native to this land too, but let's not ignore that the intent of Columbus day was to include a previously marginalized population (i.e. Catholics) and combat the prejudice and discrimination that they faced. You don't need to celebrate the man, but his accomplishments and what they represent set off the chain of events that led to the society we live in today, for better or worse.

Not just Catholics but Italian Americans in particular, who were heavily discriminated against. It’s sad that this has been lost in the debate, especially as the history of the holiday is something most of the people wanting to cancel Columbus Day would be sympathetic to.

The Biden White House recognizes this but apparently our schools can’t:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/10/11/a-proclamation-on-columbus-day-2024/#:~:text=In%2520commemoration%2520of%2520Christopher%2520Columbus,year%2520as%2520%E2%80%9CColumbus%2520Day.%E2%80%9D

I’m an Italian-American and confident that we don’t need Columbus Day anymore.

Okay, well I am too and all of the Italian American organizations disagree with you.

I’m fine if people want to make it about someone or something other than Columbus, but the holiday itself has an important history (ethnic/national discrimination) that should be preserved and taught.

And celebrating Indigenous Peoples’ Day would certainly never offer any lessons about ethnic or national discrimination.

/sarcasm

It would, but discrimination against other groups (not just Italians, but also Irish, Jews, etc.) is an important part of this country’s history and Columbus Day is a holiday that is the direct result of that. This is an opportunity to highlight and teach that history. Just because you’re ignorant of it doesn’t mean it should be ignored (in fact, it’s highlighting why it needs to be taught more).

My family is Italian and Irish. I’m well aware of the discrimination faced by successive waves of immigrants to this country. I don’t agree that Columbus Day ever successfully provided a message against such discrimination.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbus isn’t exactly someone to celebrate. He didn’t “find” anything that didn’t already exist.

My school will be talking about Indigenous Peoples day instead

The irony here is that Columbus Day was first celebrated to combat anti-Catholic sentiment and oppression in the United States.

Columbus was no saint, and no he was not the first to set foot in the "New World". And, yes, we should honor those native to this land too, but let's not ignore that the intent of Columbus day was to include a previously marginalized population (i.e. Catholics) and combat the prejudice and discrimination that they faced. You don't need to celebrate the man, but his accomplishments and what they represent set off the chain of events that led to the society we live in today, for better or worse.

Not just Catholics but Italian Americans in particular, who were heavily discriminated against. It’s sad that this has been lost in the debate, especially as the history of the holiday is something most of the people wanting to cancel Columbus Day would be sympathetic to.

The Biden White House recognizes this but apparently our schools can’t:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/10/11/a-proclamation-on-columbus-day-2024/#:~:text=In%2520commemoration%2520of%2520Christopher%2520Columbus,year%2520as%2520%E2%80%9CColumbus%2520Day.%E2%80%9D

I’m an Italian-American and confident that we don’t need Columbus Day anymore.

Okay, well I am too and all of the Italian American organizations disagree with you.

I’m fine if people want to make it about someone or something other than Columbus, but the holiday itself has an important history (ethnic/national discrimination) that should be preserved and taught.

And celebrating Indigenous Peoples’ Day would certainly never offer any lessons about ethnic or national discrimination.

/sarcasm

It would, but discrimination against other groups (not just Italians, but also Irish, Jews, etc.) is an important part of this country’s history and Columbus Day is a holiday that is the direct result of that. This is an opportunity to highlight and teach that history. Just because you’re ignorant of it doesn’t mean it should be ignored (in fact, it’s highlighting why it needs to be taught more).

Columbus Day? Fuggetaboutit.