Anonymous wrote:Gen-Z are setting themselves up for a series of jobs, not really a career.

When was the last time you were a new grad/lower level in the market? In today's climate, staying at a corporation for longer than 2-4 years as an entry grad is downright idiotic and will cost you a salary long term.

Anonymous wrote:Well, as a hiring manager, it may not be true, but it feels true.

I’ve been a hiring manager for almost 25 years, and I truly do not see a difference in generations. The older we get, the more young people seem young and different. That’s it. If I see any differences, it’s that today’s youngs are both more positive/engaged and more willing to prioritize their health and set boundaries, which I think is great (as an old who also prioritizes my health and sets boundaries).

Anonymous wrote:Thinking about the post earlier re: struggling freshmen. It doesn't get better once they enter the workforce either - They apparently have no initiative or communications skills. This really needs to be a wake up call for how we're raising and educating our kids.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryanrobinson/2024/09/27/6-tips-for-gen-z-to-succeed-in-their-first-job-in-2024/

The best part of the entire article is a not so subtle blast of the TO era and the lower-the-bar-for pell grant and other hooks era (that started pre-covid yet took off with TO due to covid):
The article references employers who want to:
" Analyze cognitive abilities. “Aptitude tests identify key cognitive strengths, such as creative thinking and problem-solving skills, which allow managers to understand and leverage a younger candidate's natural talents.Identifying these strengths during the hiring process helps managers gain a deeper understanding of a candidate's potential and enables them to assign relevant tasks that align with their creative and problem-solving abilities further down the line.”
Wow, cognitive aptitude is important to employers! Ya don't say. no extended time/ extensive test prep/years of tutors to fake this!
Granted, aptitude testing is not new, but this seems a tip toward becoming more widely used. The true top smart kids will shine from many universities, not just the elites.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is a freshman and this does not describe her at all. She’s been negotiating with teachers, employers, vendors etc since at least middle school, and takes way more initiative than I ever did — founding clubs, figuring out travel arrangements for concerts in other states, setting up systems to communicate with friends that don’t live close, building and figuring out extensive tech support for herself.
I just can’t relate when people complain that this young generation is so passive. Have you seen their resumes? They are very intimidating.

“Negotiating with teachers.”

I know, right? That says it all.

And said like this is such a great thing?

"Very intimidating" resume of a college freshman? Lol.

Anonymous wrote:My kid is a freshman and this does not describe her at all. She’s been negotiating with teachers, employers, vendors etc since at least middle school, and takes way more initiative than I ever did — founding clubs, figuring out travel arrangements for concerts in other states, setting up systems to communicate with friends that don’t live close, building and figuring out extensive tech support for herself.
I just can’t relate when people complain that this young generation is so passive. Have you seen their resumes? They are very intimidating.

why in the hell does a middle schooler or a high schooler have to negotiate with teachers? Even college, unless it is negotiate which project to work on in the professor's lab. What? "They are intimidating". Your kid is a bully. My DC had classmates like your kid, bullying teachers into changing grades in k-12. Mine felt sorry for them unable to get As on their own. Hope your kid is at a rigorous college and gets their a$$ handed to them.

Anonymous wrote:We must be doing a good job hiring because our younger workers are performing very well.

Same. Techy nerds that didnt want to go to amazon and work crazy hours. Many happy 25-28 yea olds working normal hours and progressing in their careers at my workplace.

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Anonymous wrote:You know you're getting old when you start complaining about the younger generation.

+1. As a millennial I remember when these exact same articles were written about us. It’s always the same story.

+1 We had them written about us too. And a whole movie about us. Slacker couch surfing Gen X. "Reality Bites".
Yet somehow me and almost all my college friends have advanced through different but steady career tracks, over half of us making over 250k now. The article is not about the go-getters of the generation, many of whom are not even launched yet, and there is nothing newsworthy about keep-the-focus lean-toward-grindy types. Yet we are the ones who later earn 250k++ per yr

Anonymous wrote:Gen Z will take the side gig influencer work for myself notion to a whole ‘nother level. Companies who have not adjusted their mindsets about hiring and keeping talent are going to be in trouble, either that or AI better hurry up and advance even faster.

Millennials started the gig work thing instead of a solid office job. It’s been around for awhile.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is a freshman and this does not describe her at all. She’s been negotiating with teachers, employers, vendors etc since at least middle school, and takes way more initiative than I ever did — founding clubs, figuring out travel arrangements for concerts in other states, setting up systems to communicate with friends that don’t live close, building and figuring out extensive tech support for herself.
I just can’t relate when people complain that this young generation is so passive. Have you seen their resumes? They are very intimidating.

“Negotiating with teachers.”

I know, right? That says it all.

We must be doing a good job hiring because our younger workers are performing very well.

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Anonymous wrote:You know you're getting old when you start complaining about the younger generation.

+1. As a millennial I remember when these exact same articles were written about us. It’s always the same story.

Thanks for making the price of avocados skyrocket and killing American cheese.

I had to quit buying the cheese so I could buy my $8 lattes instead.

Anonymous wrote:The oldest Gen Z is now 27....It's 5 years of data at this point.

Does the study actually have five years of data? I’m not so sure. This seems to be talking about younger folks who are just out of college as it references “recent college graduates hired this year.” I don’t think a 27 year old is a recent graduate.

Anonymous wrote:My kid is a freshman and this does not describe her at all. She’s been negotiating with teachers, employers, vendors etc since at least middle school, and takes way more initiative than I ever did — founding clubs, figuring out travel arrangements for concerts in other states, setting up systems to communicate with friends that don’t live close, building and figuring out extensive tech support for herself.
I just can’t relate when people complain that this young generation is so passive. Have you seen their resumes? They are very intimidating.

“Negotiating with teachers.”

My kid is a freshman and this does not describe her at all. She’s been negotiating with teachers, employers, vendors etc since at least middle school, and takes way more initiative than I ever did — founding clubs, figuring out travel arrangements for concerts in other states, setting up systems to communicate with friends that don’t live close, building and figuring out extensive tech support for herself.
I just can’t relate when people complain that this young generation is so passive. Have you seen their resumes? They are very intimidating.

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Anonymous wrote:Gen-Z are setting themselves up for a series of jobs, not really a career.

So? Most people have jobs not a career.

-Gen Xer.

Successful people have careers.

It's entirely possible to have a career without working the same job for long periods of time.

Generation Z won't put up with the long hours and theatrical office presents requirements that previous generations' employers have imposed. And good for generation Z. They've got that right.