Anonymous wrote:dont put your essay in any of these - it will get flagged for AI misuse later on.

okay to use for brainstorming

You were assuming someone is inputting the essay to check? flagging the essay??

AN/Sara H- no one is wasting time to check if an essay is AI. They are checking to see if it has the top 25 most used AI words though.

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Anonymous wrote:Our top private school embraces the use of AI. They advocate for smart use and guiding students on how to use it appropriately. As some PPs mentioned, it's ability to edit, review and provide recommendations are great if used appropriately.

To me, that's a telling indication to embrace it.

Remember the 90s when they tried to ban calculators? That back fired.

We're in charge now and we don't plan on forgetting how technology ignorance delayed innovation and progress.

Remember when they said testing was never coming back for college applications?
It’s still early days re AI editing.

What does testing have to do with AI? Testing has moved to an all-digital format vs. pen-and-paper which is perhaps a more apt analogy.

AI is a technology, like a computer or a calculator...it's not a substitute or in any way relevant to college testing.

I think what PPs are trying to say is that within 5 years it will seem quaint and stupid we are even having this debate...much like it seemed quaint and stupid to debate over using a calculator or the Internet or a computer.

Ok- knock yourself out. But people who get the analogy might think twice about counseling their kids to use ChatGP or other forms of AI for their essay writing, at least for now.

What's the analogy? That you can use AI now, but colleges may reverse themselves?

If you listen to top school AOs, they are no longer doing any official AI-detection because the detectors come up with too many false positives.

It's now if the essays just sound too much like AI, they reject you and that's that.

Agree.
That’s what our CCO told us (and also we heard from private college counselor).

Also it’s why Duke doesn’t score essays anymore. So for example, the concepts or ideas behind the essay may be noticeable but no one is looking at how well it’s written?

Important perhaps to be creative then?

dont put your essay in any of these - it will get flagged for AI misuse later on.

okay to use for brainstorming

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Anonymous wrote:Our top private school embraces the use of AI. They advocate for smart use and guiding students on how to use it appropriately. As some PPs mentioned, it's ability to edit, review and provide recommendations are great if used appropriately.

To me, that's a telling indication to embrace it.

Remember the 90s when they tried to ban calculators? That back fired.

We're in charge now and we don't plan on forgetting how technology ignorance delayed innovation and progress.

Remember when they said testing was never coming back for college applications?
It’s still early days re AI editing.

What does testing have to do with AI? Testing has moved to an all-digital format vs. pen-and-paper which is perhaps a more apt analogy.

AI is a technology, like a computer or a calculator...it's not a substitute or in any way relevant to college testing.

I think what PPs are trying to say is that within 5 years it will seem quaint and stupid we are even having this debate...much like it seemed quaint and stupid to debate over using a calculator or the Internet or a computer.

Ok- knock yourself out. But people who get the analogy might think twice about counseling their kids to use ChatGP or other forms of AI for their essay writing, at least for now.

What's the analogy? That you can use AI now, but colleges may reverse themselves?

If you listen to top school AOs, they are no longer doing any official AI-detection because the detectors come up with too many false positives.

It's now if the essays just sound too much like AI, they reject you and that's that.

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Anonymous wrote:Our top private school embraces the use of AI. They advocate for smart use and guiding students on how to use it appropriately. As some PPs mentioned, it's ability to edit, review and provide recommendations are great if used appropriately.

To me, that's a telling indication to embrace it.

Remember the 90s when they tried to ban calculators? That back fired.

We're in charge now and we don't plan on forgetting how technology ignorance delayed innovation and progress.

Remember when they said testing was never coming back for college applications?
It’s still early days re AI editing.

What does testing have to do with AI? Testing has moved to an all-digital format vs. pen-and-paper which is perhaps a more apt analogy.

AI is a technology, like a computer or a calculator...it's not a substitute or in any way relevant to college testing.

I think what PPs are trying to say is that within 5 years it will seem quaint and stupid we are even having this debate...much like it seemed quaint and stupid to debate over using a calculator or the Internet or a computer.

Ok- knock yourself out. But people who get the analogy might think twice about counseling their kids to use ChatGP or other forms of AI for their essay writing, at least for now.

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Anonymous wrote:Our top private school embraces the use of AI. They advocate for smart use and guiding students on how to use it appropriately. As some PPs mentioned, it's ability to edit, review and provide recommendations are great if used appropriately.

To me, that's a telling indication to embrace it.

Remember the 90s when they tried to ban calculators? That back fired.

We're in charge now and we don't plan on forgetting how technology ignorance delayed innovation and progress.

Remember when they said testing was never coming back for college applications?
It’s still early days re AI editing.

What does testing have to do with AI? Testing has moved to an all-digital format vs. pen-and-paper which is perhaps a more apt analogy.

AI is a technology, like a computer or a calculator...it's not a substitute or in any way relevant to college testing.

I think what PPs are trying to say is that within 5 years it will seem quaint and stupid we are even having this debate...much like it seemed quaint and stupid to debate over using a calculator or the Internet or a computer.

Grammarly is the WORST AI.

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Anonymous wrote:Some colleges require you to attest in the application that you did not use AI.

None we saw. In fact, AOs know that AI is used for most any grammar check program.

if you use any grammarly suggestions, then put your essay through gptzero. It will come back as 50+% AI.....

Anonymous wrote:Our top private school embraces the use of AI. They advocate for smart use and guiding students on how to use it appropriately. As some PPs mentioned, it's ability to edit, review and provide recommendations are great if used appropriately.

To me, that's a telling indication to embrace it.

Remember the 90s when they tried to ban calculators? That back fired.

We're in charge now and we don't plan on forgetting how technology ignorance delayed innovation and progress.

ours too. the quality of the essays and the time it takes (a lot less) are startling.
CCO gives very specific feedback (tighten middle, it goes off track, connect essay more to xyz) and then kid inputs those parameters, looks at suggestions, and gets ideas. It's basically having a real-time expensive essay editor at your disposal. Constantly giving feedback.
Kid rewrites based on feedback so its in kid's voice, but definitely uses some of the structuring ideas or connecting ideas or even conclusion ideas.

btw, no one uses ChatGPT. much better tools out there.
Take some time to research and try them all out.

Anonymous wrote:Some colleges require you to attest in the application that you did not use AI.

None we saw. In fact, AOs know that AI is used for most any grammar check program.

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Anonymous wrote:Our top private school embraces the use of AI. They advocate for smart use and guiding students on how to use it appropriately. As some PPs mentioned, it's ability to edit, review and provide recommendations are great if used appropriately.

To me, that's a telling indication to embrace it.

Remember the 90s when they tried to ban calculators? That back fired.

We're in charge now and we don't plan on forgetting how technology ignorance delayed innovation and progress.

Remember when they said testing was never coming back for college applications?
It’s still early days re AI editing.

there's no way to put the AI genie back in.
The alternative is NO essays for any selective school and either (A) submit a graded school essay (can imagine how that would work with private schools!) or (B) college board makes writing portion required (not happening anytime soon).

Anonymous wrote:You're giving OpenAI permission to use your work in training. I wouldn't do it, personally.

Oh no it's stealing a kid's crappy essay

Anonymous wrote:Our top private school embraces the use of AI. They advocate for smart use and guiding students on how to use it appropriately. As some PPs mentioned, it's ability to edit, review and provide recommendations are great if used appropriately.

To me, that's a telling indication to embrace it.

Remember the 90s when they tried to ban calculators? That back fired.

We're in charge now and we don't plan on forgetting how technology ignorance delayed innovation and progress.

Remember when they said testing was never coming back for college applications?
It’s still early days re AI editing.

Our top private school embraces the use of AI. They advocate for smart use and guiding students on how to use it appropriately. As some PPs mentioned, it's ability to edit, review and provide recommendations are great if used appropriately.

To me, that's a telling indication to embrace it.

Remember the 90s when they tried to ban calculators? That back fired.

We're in charge now and we don't plan on forgetting how technology ignorance delayed innovation and progress.

They should allow you to use chatgpt and determine how well you use it, not prevent it.