Anonymous wrote:Just announced: https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/company-news/ceo-andy-jassy-latest-update-on-amazon-return-to-office-manager-team-ratio

Anyone here at HQ2 not happy?

Not happy AT ALL

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just announced: https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/company-news/ceo-andy-jassy-latest-update-on-amazon-return-to-office-manager-team-ratio

Anyone here at HQ2 not happy?

OP is your role tied to HQ2? Is your specific team actually going to impacted by this? Our team is not (most of the roles on our team technically tied to HQ2).

I don't work for Amazon but a close family member does and, yes, this will impact their team (currently all required to go in 3 days/week and it's enforced).

But yes, if this did impact my team, I would be unhappy. I haven't loved my role for some time and I would gladly leave for a fully remote role IF there were actually enforced in practice for my team.

Anonymous wrote:Just announced: https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/company-news/ceo-andy-jassy-latest-update-on-amazon-return-to-office-manager-team-ratio

Anyone here at HQ2 not happy?

OP is your role tied to HQ2? Is your specific team actually going to impacted by this? Our team is not (most of the roles on our team technically tied to HQ2).

Glad I don't work there! My company increased my telework to keep me : )

Anonymous wrote:i think the thing that grates people here and grates boomers ('grinds their gears') is people have a choice now. These engineers are in HIGH demand and they can beyond easily tell amazon to go f itself and go elsewhere and they will bc half of them are socially awkward introverts who do not need to be schlepping on a commute to travel to sit next to other socially awkward introverts coding in silence except for during sprints.
they just want attrition.

Problem is Amazon lost a lot of the good people. They will lose more. Getting rid of sone managers is not a bad thing as they just do meetings and talk, many don’t have real skill or teach their employees the jobs. The commute is a huge issue. They can either work or drive. Amazon needs to be ok with the 8 hour work day vs the current 10+ and folks being flexible with calls all day and night since they are global not fair to have someone work again after a long commute to talk to Seattle or another company.

Amazon pays the best with rsu. That is why some stay. But finding a lower paying job is easy depending on your skills and other things. It’s kinda more stable than contract work.

Anonymous wrote:WOW!

Amazon: "Merry Christmas and happy new year! GET BACK TO THE OFFICE 5 DAYS A WEEK NOW!"

Love that we have to pay tolls.

i think the thing that grates people here and grates boomers ('grinds their gears') is people have a choice now. These engineers are in HIGH demand and they can beyond easily tell amazon to go f itself and go elsewhere and they will bc half of them are socially awkward introverts who do not need to be schlepping on a commute to travel to sit next to other socially awkward introverts coding in silence except for during sprints.
they just want attrition.

Some one needs to sit in those expensive offices in Arlington they build wasting all that money.

Anonymous wrote:About time, not just for Amazon, but the entire country. RTO has taken a ridiculous amount of time to implement, and finally employers are turning the screw.

Mandatory RTO is dumb though. My company had many remote roles well before COVID. We keep growing and nearly everyone has the option to be remote or hybrid. Hiring people who get the job done and firing people who can’t work in a flexible environment is the key. Chaining people to their desk is silly. Modern, well-run companies recognize this. Amazon isn’t particularly well-run. Lots of layers, very centralized, lots of fluffy, meaningless roles.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:About time, not just for Amazon, but the entire country. RTO has taken a ridiculous amount of time to implement, and finally employers are turning the screw.

Agree. It’s so valuable for me to spend 2 hours commuting to sit in a conference room on teams calls with people in other cities.

My spouse will just be working less with the commute or calls to the west coast will have to be phone while driving. They have one day a week now and sit next to each other virtually on team calls.

WOW!

Amazon: "Merry Christmas and happy new year! GET BACK TO THE OFFICE 5 DAYS A WEEK NOW!"

I love it. To be honest "culture" wise it is hard to bring in people remote and have them work as a team and believe in the mission.

I worked remote at a company I started in Spring 2021 to Spring 2023 all remote.

My last day, screen shut off a certain time, got an email where to shop laptop on personal email and that was it. No one to keep in touch with. No one lives remotely close to me.

That said for star performers they should provide relocation assistance if hired during covid remote and now need to move near office.

Amazon has a ton of dead wood doing "vesting and resting" and OE people as well as people skipping on childcare. Or plain goof offs. Those people need to come back and work in person as need monitoring or leave.

Star remote peple need to get money to move near office or added bonus.

Anonymous wrote:Part one of the memo is laying off middle managers, part two is encouraging people with options to quit. This is a layoff without having to announce a layoff

That’s what I suspected. My spouse cannot log in to see the memo. They keep doing mass hiring and lay offs and it makes no sense.

Anonymous wrote:About time, not just for Amazon, but the entire country. RTO has taken a ridiculous amount of time to implement, and finally employers are turning the screw.

Agree. It’s so valuable for me to spend 2 hours commuting to sit in a conference room on teams calls with people in other cities.