Anonymous
09/04/2024 13:43
Subject: Harvard Instituting Remedial Math Class
Harvard is a school. It's goal is to provide an education, not judgenwhatever contest you think it should be running. The lower the ability of incoming students, the more we can see if the school is adding any value.
Anonymous
09/04/2024 13:43
Subject: Harvard Instituting Remedial Math Class
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Math M isn't a new course, and isn't remedial. It's functions and introductory calculus, which are college level calculus. This is a section of the same course that meets 5 days instead of 3 so that kids can get more support while taking this college level class.
"“What we thought was the best thing to do — instead of adding another course before MA — was to add more time and support into MA for students who would need it.”"
Previous commenters might be great at math but lack reading skills - or the willingness to actually read the article before blathering.
dp.. One would expect Harvard caliber students to not need more "time and support" for " functions and introductory calculus". A lot of high performing students take this type of class in HS. If Harvard had not been TO, they could've weeded out people with weak math scores.
Harvard has majors in Literature, Art, and Latin.
then why make them take remedial Calculus?
Anonymous
09/04/2024 13:42
Subject: Harvard Instituting Remedial Math Class
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow. I assume this is directed at first gen students, but still seems pretty nuts.
why would you assume that?
Many Asian American students are first gen, and they score very high in math, the highest of all groups.
First gen college students, not first gen immigrants.
(Do you need a remedial intro English class?)
? Many Asian American students are first gen college students. They are not immigrants. They are US born children of immigrants. Not all Asian Americans are wealthy or well educated. 70% of Stuyvessant students are Asian Americans, and many are low income kids (FARMs 48%).
Maybe take a sociology class or two and get out of your bubble.
Anonymous
09/04/2024 13:42
Subject: Harvard Instituting Remedial Math Class
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Math M isn't a new course, and isn't remedial. It's functions and introductory calculus, which are college level calculus. This is a section of the same course that meets 5 days instead of 3 so that kids can get more support while taking this college level class.
"“What we thought was the best thing to do — instead of adding another course before MA — was to add more time and support into MA for students who would need it.”"
Previous commenters might be great at math but lack reading skills - or the willingness to actually read the article before blathering.
"Students don’t have the skills that we had intended downstream in the curriculum, and so it creates different trajectories in students’ math abilities,” Kelly added." That sounds like these kids aren't capable of taking a math course that begins with pre-calculus. Other schools would call that remedial for a college student, but these are Harvard kids, so we can't have that designation
What schools call it "remedial"?
UMd calls it "developmental".
https://www-math.umd.edu/developmental-math.html
Anonymous
09/04/2024 13:40
Subject: Harvard Instituting Remedial Math Class
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Math M isn't a new course, and isn't remedial. It's functions and introductory calculus, which are college level calculus. This is a section of the same course that meets 5 days instead of 3 so that kids can get more support while taking this college level class.
"“What we thought was the best thing to do — instead of adding another course before MA — was to add more time and support into MA for students who would need it.”"
Previous commenters might be great at math but lack reading skills - or the willingness to actually read the article before blathering.
dp.. One would expect Harvard caliber students to not need more "time and support" for " functions and introductory calculus". A lot of high performing students take this type of class in HS. If Harvard had not been TO, they could've weeded out people with weak math scores.
Harvard has majors in Literature, Art, and Latin.
Sure, but Harvard used to only let in kids who where near perfect at everything (or really rich) and then those kids who were also great at math and science could major in Latin
Anonymous
09/04/2024 13:34
Subject: Harvard Instituting Remedial Math Class
This is what you get with TO and equity grading where everyone has a 4.4+ GPA.
Anonymous
09/04/2024 13:33
Subject: Harvard Instituting Remedial Math Class
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Half of US high schools don’t offer calculus. I imagine there may be very bright students at Harvard and elsewhere who have had weak learning environments.
From the article:
The Harvard Math Department will pilot a new introductory course aimed at rectifying a lack of foundational algebra skills among students, according to Harvard’s Director of Introductory Math Brendan A. Kelly.
What does this say about Harvard admission? If they are admitting the best and brightest, why are they facing this issue?
Anonymous
09/04/2024 13:32
Subject: Harvard Instituting Remedial Math Class
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Math M isn't a new course, and isn't remedial. It's functions and introductory calculus, which are college level calculus. This is a section of the same course that meets 5 days instead of 3 so that kids can get more support while taking this college level class.
"“What we thought was the best thing to do — instead of adding another course before MA — was to add more time and support into MA for students who would need it.”"
Previous commenters might be great at math but lack reading skills - or the willingness to actually read the article before blathering.
dp.. One would expect Harvard caliber students to not need more "time and support" for " functions and introductory calculus". A lot of high performing students take this type of class in HS. If Harvard had not been TO, they could've weeded out people with weak math scores.
Harvard has majors in Literature, Art, and Latin.
Anonymous
09/04/2024 13:29
Subject: Harvard Instituting Remedial Math Class
Some people are not into math. Who cares if they offer remedial math?! I never use algebra or calculus in my job.
Anonymous
09/04/2024 13:28
Subject: Harvard Instituting Remedial Math Class
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Math M isn't a new course, and isn't remedial. It's functions and introductory calculus, which are college level calculus. This is a section of the same course that meets 5 days instead of 3 so that kids can get more support while taking this college level class.
"“What we thought was the best thing to do — instead of adding another course before MA — was to add more time and support into MA for students who would need it.”"
Previous commenters might be great at math but lack reading skills - or the willingness to actually read the article before blathering.
"Students don’t have the skills that we had intended downstream in the curriculum, and so it creates different trajectories in students’ math abilities,” Kelly added." That sounds like these kids aren't capable of taking a math course that begins with pre-calculus. Other schools would call that remedial for a college student, but these are Harvard kids, so we can't have that designation
Anonymous
09/04/2024 13:28
Subject: Harvard Instituting Remedial Math Class
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Half of US high schools don’t offer calculus. I imagine there may be very bright students at Harvard and elsewhere who have had weak learning environments.
From the article:
The Harvard Math Department will pilot a new introductory course aimed at rectifying a lack of foundational algebra skills among students, according to Harvard’s Director of Introductory Math Brendan A. Kelly.
Yes - and I’m guessing some of those high schools not offering calculus may not have done a bang up job on the earlier classes. Do you know nothing about education in the US?
Anonymous
09/04/2024 13:28
Subject: Harvard Instituting Remedial Math Class
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow. I assume this is directed at first gen students, but still seems pretty nuts.
why would you assume that?
Many Asian American students are first gen, and they score very high in math, the highest of all groups.
First gen college students, not first gen immigrants.
(Do you need a remedial intro English class?)
Anonymous
09/04/2024 13:26
Subject: Harvard Instituting Remedial Math Class
Columbia did this too... In 1969!
Anonymous
09/04/2024 13:26
Subject: Harvard Instituting Remedial Math Class
Anonymous wrote:Half of US high schools don’t offer calculus. I imagine there may be very bright students at Harvard and elsewhere who have had weak learning environments.
But haven't you heard? The only kids who belong at Harvard are the ones who have the pipeline high schools.
Anonymous
09/04/2024 13:26
Subject: Harvard Instituting Remedial Math Class
Remember when these schools were for the best and the brightest? pepperidge farm remembers.