Both these schools have tons of out of state students. With the insane competition for private T20s, schools like Michigan and UVA have benefitted by sweeping up affluent kids that missed out on the Ivy/T15 sweepstakes.

Anonymous wrote:A lot of wealthy boarding school kids at UVA, according to our NOVA daughter.

Yes, there are a lot of boarding school kids at UVa. Among my friends were folks who went to St. Paul's, Philips Exeter, Lawrenceville, Hotchkiss, Choate, Deerfield Academy, and Woodberry Forest -- as well as Wellington (in England) and TASIS (in Switzerland).

Even back in 1960s, UVa attracted the sons of NYC's prominent families.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1963/11/15/big-three-now-enroll-45-of/

UVa has always attracted wealthy students from its founding. When UVa was first established by Thomas Jefferson, the state of Virginia didn't fund the school (in fact many legislators were against its founding), so when it first opened, UVa was the most expensive college/university in the U.S. -- more expensive than Harvard and Yale. The only students who could afford to attend UVa back then were the sons from wealthy families, mostly from the South. After the great fire that burned down the Rotunda in 1895, the state started to fund the university, but at that point, UVa had already obtained the reputation for being a school for the wealthy. That's why up north, UVa has a connection with the Ivies. For example, UVa alums can join the Yale Club:
https://www.yaleclubnyc.org/affiliates/uva

And UVa and Yale host the oldest alumni polo match in America: https://www.harrimancup.org

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've always wondered how the NYT purported to know income of all students (not just federal aid recipients) if they don't have aid. How did they get income information and link it to a school?

+1
Still waiting for a link to this.

From the article-

The researchers tracked about 30 million students born between 1980 and 1991, linking anonymized tax returns to attendance records from nearly every college in the country.

Who is giving them Social Security numbers for 30 million people?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've always wondered how the NYT purported to know income of all students (not just federal aid recipients) if they don't have aid. How did they get income information and link it to a school?

+1
Still waiting for a link to this.

From the article-

The researchers tracked about 30 million students born between 1980 and 1991, linking anonymized tax returns to attendance records from nearly every college in the country.

I’m not a UVA booster, but the bashers don’t want to recognize UVA’s historical importance/prestige and its many quality programs, including graduate ones. Many in the NE are happy to send their kids to the school.

Anonymous wrote:I've always wondered how the NYT purported to know income of all students (not just federal aid recipients) if they don't have aid. How did they get income information and link it to a school?

+1
Still waiting for a link to this.

I've always wondered how the NYT purported to know income of all students (not just federal aid recipients) if they don't have aid. How did they get income information and link it to a school?

Anonymous wrote:Michigan is as blue collar as Wisconsin is.

There are rich people everywhere in the US:

Surgeons
Top Attorneys
Real Estate Owners
Pro Sports Stars/College Football Coaches
CEOs
200K+ Each Married Professionals
Etc. Etc.

The absolute amount of HHI you need to hit varies by state but so does the local cost of living

Michigan and Wisconsin state thresholds for 1% HHI are in the low $600Ks. For the top states it's above $1M.

A lot of wealthy boarding school kids at UVA, according to our NOVA daughter.

Michigan is as blue collar as Wisconsin is.

UVA is really expensive both out of state and instate. It attracts people who can afford it

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Anonymous wrote:Just to compare public universities (from the NYT):

Students from top 1% of families

Michigan 9.3%
Virginia 8.5%
Illinois 2.5%
Penn State 2.3%
Wisconsin 1.7%

Students from top 10% of families

Michigan 49%
Virginia 49%
Illinois 30%
Penn State 27%
Wisconsin 19%

For starters, WI as a state does not have a huge pocket of wealthy people (most would end up in Chicago, not Madison or Milwaukee). Whereas VA has NoVa with a very large population of rich/UMC people.

MI is likely the same. Then for OOS---MI is extremely popular, but most are not paying $75K+ for a state school(or any school) if they are not well off.

NOVA has a lot of “low” millionaires; WI actually has quite a few high millionaires because they have actual industries.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to compare public universities (from the NYT):

Students from top 1% of families

Michigan 9.3%
Virginia 8.5%
Illinois 2.5%
Penn State 2.3%
Wisconsin 1.7%

Students from top 10% of families

Michigan 49%
Virginia 49%
Illinois 30%
Penn State 27%
Wisconsin 19%

For starters, WI as a state does not have a huge pocket of wealthy people (most would end up in Chicago, not Madison or Milwaukee). Whereas VA has NoVa with a very large population of rich/UMC people.

MI is likely the same. Then for OOS---MI is extremely popular, but most are not paying $75K+ for a state school(or any school) if they are not well off.

Are you just making things up? Wisconsin has a number of Fortune 500 companies and closely held corps. It has the paper industry, SC Johnson, Miller Coors, Harley Davidson, Rockwell, Fiserv, Kohls, Johnson Controls, Oshkosh Corp, the biotech industry in Madison. I could go on and on. Not everyone with money goes to Chicago, but I am nit surprised that some ignorant DCUM poster jumps to this conclusion. Milwaukee and Madison have a number of beautiful wealthy areas and suburbs by the lakes that make everything in the DMV look like a dump. There is no shortage of money or wealth here. Sorry that blows your narrative.