Anonymous
Post 08/25/2024 22:26     Subject: Why are youth and high school sports so competitive to get into now?

Anonymous wrote:IMO the underlying mechanism too few facilities, gyms, fields, courts, pools, etc. In my area there are several "great" schools that have graduating classes of six hundred plus students three times the size of my graduating class.

The manifestation is that parents employ hired guns to train their kids to ensure that the kids will have spots. These hired guns use all kinds of techniques to ensure parents get what they pay for including, teaching unsafe or dirty play. These hired guns often monopolize public resources. Contracting soccer fields near schools or contracting pools and control both the access to teams and training reducing the game to a pay for play scheme.

The unsuspecting kids from families that aren't familiar with a sport trying to have fun are literally driven off the field.


This statement is NOT accurate. If you go to Langley High School on weekends, the football field is literally emptied during the summer (also on weekends during school year), and anyone can use the field to practice soccer. There is an adjacent grass field right next to the football field and anyone can use that field.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2024 18:22     Subject: Why are youth and high school sports so competitive to get into now?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't believe this is even a NOVA issue since it is happening all over America, whether it is California, Texas, Massachusetts, and so on. You have to put your kid in competitive sports at a young age to even have a chance of playing at the high school level. There aren't many rec options once you get to the middle school level, and every school team by then has competitive tryouts. There is no way to pick up a new sport by late elementary or middle school. Kids have to determine their interests at their young age or else it is too late. I don't want to encourage my kids to get into sports because I know it is going to suck for them in the end.

It is especially frustrating when there is basically nothing you get in return for investing so much into youth sports. Most kids will never play in the NCAA, and varsity sports don't matter much for college admissions. I don't know how it is reasonable for any family to invest so much time and money and risking their health for basically nothing.


Lol. Wow. Most people who play sports from pickup at the local park to pronhall of famers play because it is fun. And exercise. Also some people do go far sstarting late. Why not just do rec for a couple of sports and have fun meeting people and exercising

what a terrible attitude


The rec experiences in many sports aren't all that great. It's part of the hired gun problem. You would expect that the kids that are in competitive programs would seek better competition, but nope there they are swimming in summer leagues playing in rec tournaments, practicing their slide tackles on kids. So, you have kids practicing three or more times per week all year long with professional coaches playing against kids that have had maybe a dozen practices in the year. See what I mean, driven from the field.

Then most of the rec leagues have reduced scope of play. We did rec league basketball four practices four games. Yeah, it was fun, but not enough. Most of the rec kids just don't want to keep doing if after a season or two.


I can confirm the bolded part (but it may be different for different sports). One year in, you have a lot of player turn around and you feel that your kid cannot make progress because the level is so low. You look around and find clubs, then you realize that your kid is terrible compared to the kids who were playing club. You have the frustrating choice of continuing rec or the costly choice of moving to club. There is rarely something in between. I would not call this a hired gun problem though, it is capitalism at it's finest.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2024 16:04     Subject: Why are youth and high school sports so competitive to get into now?

Enter Caroline just trust me you’ll be fine
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2024 11:10     Subject: Re:Why are youth and high school sports so competitive to get into now?

Also, at least here in fairfax county, are schools are just enormous! So you have 2900 kids at a school, it's going to be competitive. My son is really in to baseball and has played travel for years and he will likely not make the high school baseball team or will make it and sit the bench. But it's just JV and varsity - so about 24-26 kids actually playing - for a school of almost 3000 kids.

Luckily, we do have travel and rec baseball at the high school level so he can keep playing, whether or not it's on the high school team.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2024 11:03     Subject: Why are youth and high school sports so competitive to get into now?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't believe this is even a NOVA issue since it is happening all over America, whether it is California, Texas, Massachusetts, and so on. You have to put your kid in competitive sports at a young age to even have a chance of playing at the high school level. There aren't many rec options once you get to the middle school level, and every school team by then has competitive tryouts. There is no way to pick up a new sport by late elementary or middle school. Kids have to determine their interests at their young age or else it is too late. I don't want to encourage my kids to get into sports because I know it is going to suck for them in the end.

It is especially frustrating when there is basically nothing you get in return for investing so much into youth sports. Most kids will never play in the NCAA, and varsity sports don't matter much for college admissions. I don't know how it is reasonable for any family to invest so much time and money and risking their health for basically nothing.


Lol. Wow. Most people who play sports from pickup at the local park to pronhall of famers play because it is fun. And exercise. Also some people do go far sstarting late. Why not just do rec for a couple of sports and have fun meeting people and exercising

what a terrible attitude


The rec experiences in many sports aren't all that great. It's part of the hired gun problem. You would expect that the kids that are in competitive programs would seek better competition, but nope there they are swimming in summer leagues playing in rec tournaments, practicing their slide tackles on kids. So, you have kids practicing three or more times per week all year long with professional coaches playing against kids that have had maybe a dozen practices in the year. See what I mean, driven from the field.

Then most of the rec leagues have reduced scope of play. We did rec league basketball four practices four games. Yeah, it was fun, but not enough. Most of the rec kids just don't want to keep doing if after a season or two.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2024 10:43     Subject: Re:Why are youth and high school sports so competitive to get into now?

also before the internet it was much harder for parents to find out about opportunities and so i think demand actually exceeded enrollment at the super young ages
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2024 10:27     Subject: Why are youth and high school sports so competitive to get into now?

Anonymous wrote:I don't believe this is even a NOVA issue since it is happening all over America, whether it is California, Texas, Massachusetts, and so on. You have to put your kid in competitive sports at a young age to even have a chance of playing at the high school level. There aren't many rec options once you get to the middle school level, and every school team by then has competitive tryouts. There is no way to pick up a new sport by late elementary or middle school. Kids have to determine their interests at their young age or else it is too late. I don't want to encourage my kids to get into sports because I know it is going to suck for them in the end.

It is especially frustrating when there is basically nothing you get in return for investing so much into youth sports. Most kids will never play in the NCAA, and varsity sports don't matter much for college admissions. I don't know how it is reasonable for any family to invest so much time and money and risking their health for basically nothing.


Lol. Wow. Most people who play sports from pickup at the local park to pronhall of famers play because it is fun. And exercise. Also some people do go far sstarting late. Why not just do rec for a couple of sports and have fun meeting people and exercising

what a terrible attitude
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2024 09:53     Subject: Why are youth and high school sports so competitive to get into now?

Anonymous wrote:IMO the underlying mechanism too few facilities, gyms, fields, courts, pools, etc. In my area there are several "great" schools that have graduating classes of six hundred plus students three times the size of my graduating class.

The manifestation is that parents employ hired guns to train their kids to ensure that the kids will have spots. These hired guns use all kinds of techniques to ensure parents get what they pay for including, teaching unsafe or dirty play. These hired guns often monopolize public resources. Contracting soccer fields near schools or contracting pools and control both the access to teams and training reducing the game to a pay for play scheme.

The unsuspecting kids from families that aren't familiar with a sport trying to have fun are literally driven off the field.


I should add that the private monopolization of public resources in this manner exacerbates the problem because many in the public stop seeing the value. EG schools forgo having sports programs, stop building new fields, close public pools etc.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2024 09:51     Subject: Why are youth and high school sports so competitive to get into now?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You asked what the point is, OP. The point is happiness! My kid just loves sports. He has done them all, some of them exceeding well and some of them terribly. He will play one of them in college but he is currently injured, so he picked up a new one that doesn’t hurt his injury. He is now obsessed with the new one, and though he has never played before this summer he is getting better and brings him joy. That is the point.


Secretive sally is silent on the sport


Not trying to be secretive, just didn’t think the point was the sport. He’s a baseball player who picked up golf.


There are trolls on here who see a positive story and feel the need to say something nasty. Ignore them. Hope your son is enjoying golf!
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2024 09:33     Subject: Why are youth and high school sports so competitive to get into now?

IMO the underlying mechanism too few facilities, gyms, fields, courts, pools, etc. In my area there are several "great" schools that have graduating classes of six hundred plus students three times the size of my graduating class.

The manifestation is that parents employ hired guns to train their kids to ensure that the kids will have spots. These hired guns use all kinds of techniques to ensure parents get what they pay for including, teaching unsafe or dirty play. These hired guns often monopolize public resources. Contracting soccer fields near schools or contracting pools and control both the access to teams and training reducing the game to a pay for play scheme.

The unsuspecting kids from families that aren't familiar with a sport trying to have fun are literally driven off the field.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2024 08:51     Subject: Why are youth and high school sports so competitive to get into now?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You asked what the point is, OP. The point is happiness! My kid just loves sports. He has done them all, some of them exceeding well and some of them terribly. He will play one of them in college but he is currently injured, so he picked up a new one that doesn’t hurt his injury. He is now obsessed with the new one, and though he has never played before this summer he is getting better and brings him joy. That is the point.


Secretive sally is silent on the sport


Not trying to be secretive, just didn’t think the point was the sport. He’s a baseball player who picked up golf.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2024 08:04     Subject: Why are youth and high school sports so competitive to get into now?

Anonymous wrote:You asked what the point is, OP. The point is happiness! My kid just loves sports. He has done them all, some of them exceeding well and some of them terribly. He will play one of them in college but he is currently injured, so he picked up a new one that doesn’t hurt his injury. He is now obsessed with the new one, and though he has never played before this summer he is getting better and brings him joy. That is the point.


Secretive sally is silent on the sport
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2024 07:48     Subject: Why are youth and high school sports so competitive to get into now?

You asked what the point is, OP. The point is happiness! My kid just loves sports. He has done them all, some of them exceeding well and some of them terribly. He will play one of them in college but he is currently injured, so he picked up a new one that doesn’t hurt his injury. He is now obsessed with the new one, and though he has never played before this summer he is getting better and brings him joy. That is the point.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2024 07:30     Subject: Why are youth and high school sports so competitive to get into now?

My experience is that there are more options now, of so many different sports and so many different levels, than when I was a kid in the 90s, as long as you are willing to look outside of what the school offers.

Community soccer, running, weight lifting, boxing, track, ice skating, crew, yoga, martial arts, local run clubs, CrossFit, other gyms, fencing, bike clubs, ymca classes, volleyball, pickup basketball everywhere, the list goes on and on. Just be pro-active and you can find something to do everyday.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2024 07:18     Subject: Why are youth and high school sports so competitive to get into now?

It was the same when I was on HS 25ywats ago. Do you want sports in HS to be terrible? Some, like soccer, are painful to watch even though they are filled with kids who have played for years but the coaching is terrible.