Do people watch Woody Allen and Roman Polanski films? They do.

Thread's already off the rails with the many apologists for Jackson ("Mentally ill! Terrible upbringing! A child in his mind! Never did it!") and the inevitable slams at the accusers ("Blackmail! Not credible!"). We've heard it all before. He was indeed sick, he definitely had a horrible upbringing, and I still believe his accusers no matter what their parents did, said, or asked for. I can separate art from artist in most cases but not with him, and I came along when he was the biggest star on the planet and absolutely ubiquitous, so his songs are intertwined with decades of my life. Can't listen to them now and never will. And I'm not conflicted about that at all.

Anonymous wrote:R. Kelly is rotting in jail for his terrible crimes. I still get "Remix to Ignition" in my head now and again and it' still rocks. Even if Michael Jackson was convicted, his music woukd still be legendary.

I also still enjoy Ignition.

Agree with separate the art from the artist.

How many brides walked down the aisle to Wagner's wedding march? Did they know he was a prominent anti-semite?

Not quite art, but how many women covet Chanel purses? It's a major status symbol. Nobody seemed bothered by the fact that Coco Chanel was a Nazi sympathizer and benefitted hugely by the Nazi's persecution of Jewish craftsmen and merchants in Paris.

There are a lot of troubled pasts in things we consume today. I still enjoy MJ's music and Wagner's operas. Not buying Chanel simply b/c it's ludicrously overpriced.

There’s a good documentary on Prime called square one about the 1993 case. It talks about how Evan Chandler, Jordan’s dad, threatened MJ with blackmail for 20 million dollars and when MJ refused to pay him, he coached his son into telling authorities he was molested.

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Anonymous wrote:Same reason people still listen to Cardi B or Chris Brown or others who have done awful things. They compartmentalize the music / musician and the person.

I still listen to some MJ, it’s good music. I am not thinking about him as a person. Just enjoying the art. Just like I can enjoy a painting without knowing for sure that the artist was a person of integrity.

What did Cardi B do?

She drugged and sexually assaulted and robbed men.

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Anonymous wrote:He didn’t see anything wrong with sharing a bed because he grew up with nine brothers and sisters in a 2 bedroom house.

Michael had plenty of mental health issues especially body dysmorphia but I tend to believe he was more asexual than pedophilic.
His supposed bio kids were not his. He didn’t sleep with Debbie.

I think he mentally thought he was still a kid and didn’t have sexual desire for either women, men, or kids.

Except there are credible victims who have come forward. Lisa Marie Presley also stated that theirs was a "complete" marriage aka they were intimate.

The plaintiffs weren’t credible. The “victim” in the 1993 and the one in 2003 case had parents bragging about a shakedown of MJ for cash.

The FBI raided Neverland and investigated MJ for a decade and said they didn’t find any evidence he was a pedophile. He watched straight porn from time to time according to the FBI but no child porn or gay porn found in his search histories.

I sang in a band and when the HBO docu came out years ago I was so disgusted I asked the band to drop the MJ tunes. I still listen to his music now though or sing along in my car or whatever. I try to do as others have said, separate the artist from the art but I just didn’t want to publicly sing the songs anymore. I didn’t want to “sell” them to a crowd.

I used to dance to his music all the time. I had a whole choreographed dance to Billie Jean.

I watched the Neverland documentary. It was deeply disturbing. When I hear his music, I turn it off.

An actual pedophile would never ever say on live tv they like to play with kids at their house and sleep in the same bed with children.

Michael was severely mentally Ill-didn’t rant to be an adult, didn’t want to be black, didn’t want to be famous or photographed so he covered his face.

Lots of things wrong but the obviousness that he had around kids and some of the things he would say especially about sharing a bed I don’t think an actual pedophile would ever say out loud. Only someone asexual would think sharing their bed is innocuous and not something damning to say out loud.

Michaels issues were plenty

Anonymous wrote:Same reason people still listen to Cardi B or Chris Brown or others who have done awful things. They compartmentalize the music / musician and the person.

I still listen to some MJ, it’s good music. I am not thinking about him as a person. Just enjoying the art. Just like I can enjoy a painting without knowing for sure that the artist was a person of integrity.

What did Cardi B do?

Anonymous wrote:He didn’t see anything wrong with sharing a bed because he grew up with nine brothers and sisters in a 2 bedroom house.

Michael had plenty of mental health issues especially body dysmorphia but I tend to believe he was more asexual than pedophilic.
His supposed bio kids were not his. He didn’t sleep with Debbie.

I think he mentally thought he was still a kid and didn’t have sexual desire for either women, men, or kids.

Except there are credible victims who have come forward. Lisa Marie Presley also stated that theirs was a "complete" marriage aka they were intimate.

Same reason people still listen to Cardi B or Chris Brown or others who have done awful things. They compartmentalize the music / musician and the person.

I still listen to some MJ, it’s good music. I am not thinking about him as a person. Just enjoying the art. Just like I can enjoy a painting without knowing for sure that the artist was a person of integrity.

I'm another gen-x and I don't believe any of his accusers to be credible. He was an innocent and emotionally stunted adult. The MJ musical didn't touch on that, but it gave much insight into his lack of social maturation.

R. Kelly is rotting in jail for his terrible crimes. I still get "Remix to Ignition" in my head now and again and it' still rocks. Even if Michael Jackson was convicted, his music woukd still be legendary.