Anonymous
08/25/2024 07:05
Subject: What are "hooks"
Anonymous wrote:Wealth is not a hook. Maybe you were referring to the Big Donor category.
VIPs are few and far between, but yes, for that tiny number of people, a hook.
Recruited athletes are hooked. Non-recruited athletics is just another extracurricular activity.
Legacy is technically a hook, but not in the sense of the other categories. More like, the application will get a thorough read. Having high stats and legacy is not enough. Usually, a legacy would want to apply ED if the school offers it. Legacy is a hook at Harvard, but understand that Harvard still rejects more legacies than it accepts.
I actually didn't know this. My child has zero legacies, neither my husband nor I attended college. She is literally the first person in our family to think of getting a degree so we are so clueless.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 15:03
Subject: What are "hooks"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:URM and 1st gen...but I have a feeling you already knew that.
If URM is a hook, why enrollment of Black students went down? Check out the latest MIT stat. From my experience URM students with high stats were not admitted.
Two guesses: 1) not as many URM students applied to MIT this year and 2) those who applied did not disclose their URM status through their essays or awards sections.
At this point it is all guesses until the final data comes out but from my what I have seen this year low income appears to be a better hook compared to URM.
Yes, because low-income & first in family considerations are still within the law, but using race as a factor is no longer.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 15:02
Subject: What are "hooks"
Anonymous wrote:Faculty children
+1
Anonymous
08/22/2024 14:49
Subject: What are "hooks"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:only real 100% admit hook is athletic recruit
all other things being mentioned will improve odds, but not guarantee
every 5 yr old male should play lax and every female should row - if you want guaranteed T20 admission. Both are easy sports to master - any kid can become ivy caliber with enough private lessons and coaching
Rotc is def a hook
is this true? any T20s with ROTC?
LOL get with the program. Yes, most (all?) have ROTC.
Yes and no. Like, technically Harvard has ROTC, but they all go to MIT for classes and training, which is where the real thing is. I don't think there's anything meaningful at Yale, Brown, Rice, Columbia, Northwestern, Chicago, or Penn.
The list above - Princeton, MIT, Vanderbilt, Duke, Cornell, Michigan, Notre Dame, Berkeley - is where it's at for ROTC among the better schools.
Yale has NROTC directly on campus. What do you mean by not meaningful?
Anonymous
08/22/2024 14:49
Subject: What are "hooks"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:URM and 1st gen...but I have a feeling you already knew that.
If URM is a hook, why enrollment of Black students went down? Check out the latest MIT stat. From my experience URM students with high stats were not admitted.
Two guesses: 1) not as many URM students applied to MIT this year and 2) those who applied did not disclose their URM status through their essays or awards sections.
At this point it is all guesses until the final data comes out but from my what I have seen this year low income appears to be a better hook compared to URM.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 14:29
Subject: What are "hooks"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:only real 100% admit hook is athletic recruit
all other things being mentioned will improve odds, but not guarantee
every 5 yr old male should play lax and every female should row - if you want guaranteed T20 admission. Both are easy sports to master - any kid can become ivy caliber with enough private lessons and coaching
Rotc is def a hook
is this true? any T20s with ROTC?
LOL get with the program. Yes, most (all?) have ROTC.
Yes and no. Like, technically Harvard has ROTC, but they all go to MIT for classes and training, which is where the real thing is. I don't think there's anything meaningful at Yale, Brown, Rice, Columbia, Northwestern, Chicago, or Penn.
The list above - Princeton, MIT, Vanderbilt, Duke, Cornell, Michigan, Notre Dame, Berkeley - is where it's at for ROTC among the better schools.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 14:25
Subject: What are "hooks"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:URM and 1st gen...but I have a feeling you already knew that.
If URM is a hook, why enrollment of Black students went down? Check out the latest MIT stat. From my experience URM students with high stats were not admitted.
Two guesses: 1) not as many URM students applied to MIT this year and 2) those who applied did not disclose their URM status through their essays or awards sections.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 14:18
Subject: What are "hooks"
Anonymous wrote:URM and 1st gen...but I have a feeling you already knew that.
If URM is a hook, why enrollment of Black students went down? Check out the latest MIT stat. From my experience URM students with high stats were not admitted.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 14:14
Subject: What are "hooks"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:only real 100% admit hook is athletic recruit
all other things being mentioned will improve odds, but not guarantee
every 5 yr old male should play lax and every female should row - if you want guaranteed T20 admission. Both are easy sports to master - any kid can become ivy caliber with enough private lessons and coaching
Rotc is def a hook
is this true? any T20s with ROTC?
Harvard has ROTC. It is NOT a hook.
I don’t think you understand what a hook is. Harvard has ROTC and that IS a hook. It is not, however, a guarantee. It definitely makes the applicant looked at more closely which essentially a hook.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 14:11
Subject: What are "hooks"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:only real 100% admit hook is athletic recruit
all other things being mentioned will improve odds, but not guarantee
every 5 yr old male should play lax and every female should row - if you want guaranteed T20 admission. Both are easy sports to master - any kid can become ivy caliber with enough private lessons and coaching
Rotc is def a hook
is this true? any T20s with ROTC?
All the Ivy League schools have ROTC programs.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 14:05
Subject: What are "hooks"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:only real 100% admit hook is athletic recruit
all other things being mentioned will improve odds, but not guarantee
every 5 yr old male should play lax and every female should row - if you want guaranteed T20 admission. Both are easy sports to master - any kid can become ivy caliber with enough private lessons and coaching
Rotc is def a hook
is this true? any T20s with ROTC?
LOL get with the program. Yes, most (all?) have ROTC.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 13:45
Subject: What are "hooks"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:only real 100% admit hook is athletic recruit
all other things being mentioned will improve odds, but not guarantee
every 5 yr old male should play lax and every female should row - if you want guaranteed T20 admission. Both are easy sports to master - any kid can become ivy caliber with enough private lessons and coaching
Rotc is def a hook
is this true? any T20s with ROTC?
The hook is the four year ROTC scholarship. If you can get that - and it's very competitive - it is a very strong hook. You get the scholarship first, and then you reach out to colleges and apply. It's similar to being a recruited athlete. If you have that four year scholarship, you reach out to the ROTC programs at the schools you're interested in. Like an athlete would with a coach. And basically, the ROTC program then supports the application through the admissions process.
Getting the scholarship is what's the big deal. It's basically worth $300,000 these days. And it requires a lot - stats, real fitness, leadership, community service. Quite a few good schools have significant ROTC programs - MIT, Duke, Princeton, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Michigan, Cornell, and Berkeley are probably the most notable. Get that scholarship, and they will be interested.
Isn't the scholarship not awarded until winter/spring of senior year?
Timing varies by service (Air Force, Army, Navy) and there are usually multiple rounds of scholarship awards. Get your application done as soon as possible in the admission cycle and you will get a scholarship decision in time to use it in Regular Decision admissions. A winter scholarship is well before RD admissions are made.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 13:37
Subject: What are "hooks"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:only real 100% admit hook is athletic recruit
all other things being mentioned will improve odds, but not guarantee
every 5 yr old male should play lax and every female should row - if you want guaranteed T20 admission. Both are easy sports to master - any kid can become ivy caliber with enough private lessons and coaching
Rotc is def a hook
is this true? any T20s with ROTC?
The hook is the four year ROTC scholarship. If you can get that - and it's very competitive - it is a very strong hook. You get the scholarship first, and then you reach out to colleges and apply. It's similar to being a recruited athlete. If you have that four year scholarship, you reach out to the ROTC programs at the schools you're interested in. Like an athlete would with a coach. And basically, the ROTC program then supports the application through the admissions process.
Getting the scholarship is what's the big deal. It's basically worth $300,000 these days. And it requires a lot - stats, real fitness, leadership, community service. Quite a few good schools have significant ROTC programs - MIT, Duke, Princeton, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Michigan, Cornell, and Berkeley are probably the most notable. Get that scholarship, and they will be interested.
Isn't the scholarship not awarded until winter/spring of senior year?
Anonymous
08/22/2024 13:32
Subject: What are "hooks"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:only real 100% admit hook is athletic recruit
all other things being mentioned will improve odds, but not guarantee
every 5 yr old male should play lax and every female should row - if you want guaranteed T20 admission. Both are easy sports to master - any kid can become ivy caliber with enough private lessons and coaching
Rotc is def a hook
is this true? any T20s with ROTC?
The hook is the four year ROTC scholarship. If you can get that - and it's very competitive - it is a very strong hook. You get the scholarship first, and then you reach out to colleges and apply. It's similar to being a recruited athlete. If you have that four year scholarship, you reach out to the ROTC programs at the schools you're interested in. Like an athlete would with a coach. And basically, the ROTC program then supports the application through the admissions process.
Getting the scholarship is what's the big deal. It's basically worth $300,000 these days. And it requires a lot - stats, real fitness, leadership, community service. Quite a few good schools have significant ROTC programs - MIT, Duke, Princeton, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Michigan, Cornell, and Berkeley are probably the most notable. Get that scholarship, and they will be interested.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 13:04
Subject: What are "hooks"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:only real 100% admit hook is athletic recruit
all other things being mentioned will improve odds, but not guarantee
every 5 yr old male should play lax and every female should row - if you want guaranteed T20 admission. Both are easy sports to master - any kid can become ivy caliber with enough private lessons and coaching
Rotc is def a hook
is this true? any T20s with ROTC?
The hook is in obtaining a 4-year full tuition ROTC scholarship. That informs the school that you will do ROTC for 4 years versus dropping it after one semester. 4-year scholarship also means you are a "full pay" student. Most top 20s have students enrolled in ROTC either right on campus or at a nearby univeristy campus. If on campus the university wants to make sure they have ROTC students in the program to keep it going, just like they want to make sure there are enough soccer players to field a team. Oh and I hope your kid enjoys the 4-8 year post graduation service commitment!
-Princeton ROTC alum