Anonymous wrote:The unpopular but true opinion is that being a housewife is an amazing job. You don't have a boss. You can wakeup whenever you want most days. The lions share of chores are a cinch. Wow, throw in laundry and go run on the treadmill for an hour. Throw in dryer and stream Netflix vids.

Why would you want a stressful professional job that kills you and makes you die early?

Gen Z women have figure out that the working world is overrated and for suckers.

Ok now add kids.

Anonymous wrote:Neglect of social science is a huge factor in this kind of thinking. People who actually learn about history, gender studies, and social economics know that this vision of "traditional" roles with SAH spouse was never common. (Those people would also know what the words "feminism" and "patriarchy" mean, which I'm not sure OP does.)

In an aggragrian society, everybody works but mostly not for cash. There was no "going to work" vs staying home, although you might share labor among neighbors. As things urbanized and moved to cash, people almost immediately outsourced their meals and laundry, so there were women with businesses and working outside the home. In both scenarios there were a lot of people who never married: they lived with family, or worked for the rich, or went into religion or military.

The idea of widespread marriage where one man's cash wage supports a SAHM nuclear family was a thing for a very brief period in the US, and only for a faction of the population. A blip, not traditional.

This is not what labor statistics show. But this is often repeated on here. Women didn’t even have access to daycare or any sort of maternity leave so it was extremely difficult for a woman to hold down any sort of job outside of the home. Women working a man’s job is a recent thing.

I am a working woman with a husband who does 50/50 at home and is supportive of my career.

However if I could do it all over again I would look for a more traditional marriage with gender roles.

The vast majority of women seemed to get screwed over working a man’s job and also being a wife and mom. Now there is an expectation that a woman has a demanding career and do everything at home.

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Anonymous wrote:Not seeing this at all among the young women (gen z) I work with. If anything, they are having a difficult time finding partners willing to commit. Many of their male counterparts are not interested in relationships and are not motivated to earn college degrees.
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+1. The young millennial and Gen Z women I know aren’t getting married, or if they do they aren’t planning to have kids.

Be careful of sweeping observations about generations. I find they are often incorrect. I work with people who are 20 years younger than me. I keep learning and relearning. A lot of what I do is validation bias. I have to unlearn things bc I am old.

Anonymous wrote:Not seeing this at all among the young women (gen z) I work with. If anything, they are having a difficult time finding partners willing to commit. Many of their male counterparts are not interested in relationships and are not motivated to earn college degrees.
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+1. The young millennial and Gen Z women I know aren’t getting married, or if they do they aren’t planning to have kids.

Who wouldn’t want someone to do all of the housework for them?

Neglect of social science is a huge factor in this kind of thinking. People who actually learn about history, gender studies, and social economics know that this vision of "traditional" roles with SAH spouse was never common. (Those people would also know what the words "feminism" and "patriarchy" mean, which I'm not sure OP does.)

In an aggragrian society, everybody works but mostly not for cash. There was no "going to work" vs staying home, although you might share labor among neighbors. As things urbanized and moved to cash, people almost immediately outsourced their meals and laundry, so there were women with businesses and working outside the home. In both scenarios there were a lot of people who never married: they lived with family, or worked for the rich, or went into religion or military.

The idea of widespread marriage where one man's cash wage supports a SAHM nuclear family was a thing for a very brief period in the US, and only for a faction of the population. A blip, not traditional.

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Anonymous wrote:No, they're just going to find out no one wants to date or marry them with those attitudes.

Yes ,it’s going to be hard for a man to find a woman who wants to take care of kid, family and home instead of going into the workforce.

You’re delusional if you think that is going to be hard.

Well first those men have to actually get jobs that can fund that. So that's one. Second, men who feel strongly about "traditional" gender roles often just are terrible about doing their share at home and act controlling.

The reality is most men I've met who claim to want traditional gender roles are just lazy guys who don't actually make that much money but they want a woman to cook and clean for them anyway. The men I know who are doctors, lawyers and engineers are married to other doctors, lawyers, and engineers.

Yes. But then they expect the female doctors, lawyers, and engineers to do the brunt of the housework and childcare. This is why female physicians make $100,000 less per year than their male counterparts.

In some ways, I think it would be a lot easier if everyone was realistic about what they wanted upfront.

I'm a female lawyer married to a male engineer, and no, he doesn't dump all the work on me. My mom worked part time and my physician father didn't dump all the work on her either, my Dad and I together would do the dishes and clean every single night.

Women make up more than half of enrollment colleges, law schools and medical schools. We're not going back.

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Anonymous wrote:No, they're just going to find out no one wants to date or marry them with those attitudes.

There are many many young women who want a guy who makes all the money and they can stay home. That is also pretty common now. Income and will pay for everything is very high on most young women’s lists.

Got an actual source for that?

Feminism also doesn't mean you're opposed to someone choosing to be a stay at home parent, Feminism is opposition to it not being a choice.

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Feminism means women have a choice.

Feminism also means that if you choose to be a SAHP and your husband gets abusive/controlling you have a way out and can get a decent job and take care of your self.

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Anonymous wrote:No, they're just going to find out no one wants to date or marry them with those attitudes.

Yes ,it’s going to be hard for a man to find a woman who wants to take care of kid, family and home instead of going into the workforce.

You’re delusional if you think that is going to be hard.

Well first those men have to actually get jobs that can fund that. So that's one. Second, men who feel strongly about "traditional" gender roles often just are terrible about doing their share at home and act controlling.

The reality is most men I've met who claim to want traditional gender roles are just lazy guys who don't actually make that much money but they want a woman to cook and clean for them anyway. The men I know who are doctors, lawyers and engineers are married to other doctors, lawyers, and engineers.

Yes. But then they expect the female doctors, lawyers, and engineers to do the brunt of the housework and childcare. This is why female physicians make $100,000 less per year than their male counterparts.

In some ways, I think it would be a lot easier if everyone was realistic about what they wanted upfront.

Lol... Young man can't make enough to support a family of four on one income and have a nice home like they're thinking in the '50s..... No woman's going to sit home in a shack with four or five kids or her husband makes under $100,000 a year.
Best of luck to them though

Don’t feed the troll.

I don’t think young men get to decide when feminism is over.

Anonymous wrote:What’s with all of Liberty U type threads recently?

No, “trad wife” isn’t a trend outside of religious extremist groups.

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The trad wife clickbait headlines are getting old. I’ve still seen no evidence of an increase in trad wife other than a handful, ironically, of savvy business women who are making (or trying to make) a lot of money off the image from social media.

If anything, I read the article as just saying young men expect to make lots of money in their careers, and are probably assuming they’ll make more than a future wife, because of, well, male narcissism. I’d be interested to see what today’s millennials answered when they were the same age. As in, is it really normal and aspirational for 20 year old men to assume they’ll make lots of money and therefore make more than their spouse…. And then they hit 30 and realize happy lives usually require two incomes. So is it true that as men get older, they always drop their expectations of making more than their wives?

Not seeing this at all among the young women (gen z) I work with. If anything, they are having a difficult time finding partners willing to commit. Many of their male counterparts are not interested in relationships and are not motivated to earn college degrees.
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