Anonymous
08/12/2024 22:09
Subject: common data set info on test scores
Are you talking about an Ivy or T15?
Anonymous
08/12/2024 22:08
Subject: common data set info on test scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They are 25th percentile based on the most recent data...it's around the 50th percentile for the 2019/2020 data. Our older DC applied based on that data and was told for an unhooked UMC kid to aim for the 75th percentile.
Unlike others, I actually recommend not submitting. DC recently had an AO tell him to not submit a very similar score in the 25th percentile currently but 50th percentile pre-COVID and the AO just point blank said it is not worth the risk when the only scores submitted are much higher now.
Same here.
Check CDS for % of class that’s TOz
And if near 50% of class was TO, then don’t submit (if below 50%)….
Anonymous
08/12/2024 22:05
Subject: common data set info on test scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here’s a concrete example from the Tufts 2023-24 CDS (which reports on the previous year’s incoming class, so the numbers may be even more skewed now.)
The 25th percentile for SAT is 1460 and the 75th percentile is 1540.
But only 37% of entering students submitted SAT scores.
What do you do if you score a 1450? You are certainly scoring higher than 25% of your classmates, if everyone were required to take the SAT. The admission officers should realize this. It’s certainly a high enough score to take advantage of what Tufts has to offer. Do you submit?
I would submit. I think they will increasingly care about percentage submitting, especially with many Ivys returning to test required.
Most of the Ivies and T10s had over 85% admitted submitting high test scores when they were TO. So even then without a hook or being in a special group for whatever reason—the typical applicant needed to submit scores to have any chance.
^ in other words the percentage not submitting was being used to capture the athletes, legacy, DEI needs. Etc
Has there been any knock to these colleges’ graduation rates. With the way people talk about colleges post-Covid, you’d think there’d be more clear signs of any actual issues from test optional.
Kids are shuttled into easier majors and professors are discouraged from giving low grades to students. My professor friends get a lot of pressure from Deans and other committees to give kids multiple attempts at tests, regrades of papers, etc. The professors have also greatly reduced what they ask of students wrt papers and exams. So, it’s easier to pass these days even for a student with very low ability or effort or competence. It’s a real “the customer is always right” attitude.
Anonymous
08/12/2024 21:34
Subject: common data set info on test scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here’s a concrete example from the Tufts 2023-24 CDS (which reports on the previous year’s incoming class, so the numbers may be even more skewed now.)
The 25th percentile for SAT is 1460 and the 75th percentile is 1540.
But only 37% of entering students submitted SAT scores.
What do you do if you score a 1450? You are certainly scoring higher than 25% of your classmates, if everyone were required to take the SAT. The admission officers should realize this. It’s certainly a high enough score to take advantage of what Tufts has to offer. Do you submit?
I would submit. I think they will increasingly care about percentage submitting, especially with many Ivys returning to test required.
Most of the Ivies and T10s had over 85% admitted submitting high test scores when they were TO. So even then without a hook or being in a special group for whatever reason—the typical applicant needed to submit scores to have any chance.
^ in other words the percentage not submitting was being used to capture the athletes, legacy, DEI needs. Etc
Has there been any knock to these colleges’ graduation rates. With the way people talk about colleges post-Covid, you’d think there’d be more clear signs of any actual issues from test optional.
Anonymous
08/12/2024 21:32
Subject: common data set info on test scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here’s a concrete example from the Tufts 2023-24 CDS (which reports on the previous year’s incoming class, so the numbers may be even more skewed now.)
The 25th percentile for SAT is 1460 and the 75th percentile is 1540.
But only 37% of entering students submitted SAT scores.
What do you do if you score a 1450? You are certainly scoring higher than 25% of your classmates, if everyone were required to take the SAT. The admission officers should realize this. It’s certainly a high enough score to take advantage of what Tufts has to offer. Do you submit?
I would submit. I think they will increasingly care about percentage submitting, especially with many Ivys returning to test required.
Most of the Ivies and T10s had over 85% admitted submitting high test scores when they were TO. So even then without a hook or being in a special group for whatever reason—the typical applicant needed to submit scores to have any chance.
^ in other words the percentage not submitting was being used to capture the athletes, legacy, DEI needs. Etc
Anonymous
08/12/2024 21:31
Subject: common data set info on test scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here’s a concrete example from the Tufts 2023-24 CDS (which reports on the previous year’s incoming class, so the numbers may be even more skewed now.)
The 25th percentile for SAT is 1460 and the 75th percentile is 1540.
But only 37% of entering students submitted SAT scores.
What do you do if you score a 1450? You are certainly scoring higher than 25% of your classmates, if everyone were required to take the SAT. The admission officers should realize this. It’s certainly a high enough score to take advantage of what Tufts has to offer. Do you submit?
I would submit. I think they will increasingly care about percentage submitting, especially with many Ivys returning to test required.
Most of the Ivies and T10s had over 85% admitted submitting high test scores when they were TO. So even then without a hook or being in a special group for whatever reason—the typical applicant needed to submit scores to have any chance.
Anonymous
08/12/2024 21:29
Subject: common data set info on test scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They are 25th percentile based on the most recent data...it's around the 50th percentile for the 2019/2020 data. Our older DC applied based on that data and was told for an unhooked UMC kid to aim for the 75th percentile.
Unlike others, I actually recommend not submitting. DC recently had an AO tell him to not submit a very similar score in the 25th percentile currently but 50th percentile pre-COVID and the AO just point blank said it is not worth the risk when the only scores submitted are much higher now.
That’s changing as schools become very test aware even if they have t fully flipped from TO. It really changes each cycle. You can’t go by prior years. It’s the wild Wild West
Anonymous
08/12/2024 20:54
Subject: common data set info on test scores
Anonymous wrote:Here’s a concrete example from the Tufts 2023-24 CDS (which reports on the previous year’s incoming class, so the numbers may be even more skewed now.)
The 25th percentile for SAT is 1460 and the 75th percentile is 1540.
But only 37% of entering students submitted SAT scores.
What do you do if you score a 1450? You are certainly scoring higher than 25% of your classmates, if everyone were required to take the SAT. The admission officers should realize this. It’s certainly a high enough score to take advantage of what Tufts has to offer. Do you submit?
I would submit. I think they will increasingly care about percentage submitting, especially with many Ivys returning to test required.
Anonymous
08/12/2024 20:03
Subject: common data set info on test scores
Here’s a concrete example from the Tufts 2023-24 CDS (which reports on the previous year’s incoming class, so the numbers may be even more skewed now.)
The 25th percentile for SAT is 1460 and the 75th percentile is 1540.
But only 37% of entering students submitted SAT scores.
What do you do if you score a 1450? You are certainly scoring higher than 25% of your classmates, if everyone were required to take the SAT. The admission officers should realize this. It’s certainly a high enough score to take advantage of what Tufts has to offer. Do you submit?
The 25th percentile for SAT is 1460 and the 75th percentile is 1540.
But only 37% of entering students submitted SAT scores.
What do you do if you score a 1450? You are certainly scoring higher than 25% of your classmates, if everyone were required to take the SAT. The admission officers should realize this. It’s certainly a high enough score to take advantage of what Tufts has to offer. Do you submit?
Anonymous
08/12/2024 19:45
Subject: common data set info on test scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They are 25th percentile based on the most recent data...it's around the 50th percentile for the 2019/2020 data. Our older DC applied based on that data and was told for an unhooked UMC kid to aim for the 75th percentile.
Unlike others, I actually recommend not submitting. DC recently had an AO tell him to not submit a very similar score in the 25th percentile currently but 50th percentile pre-COVID and the AO just point blank said it is not worth the risk when the only scores submitted are much higher now.
Same situation but was told by two AOs/Deans to submit. DC did and was accepted but ED1. School teetered on 50 percent submitting so they probably also cared about submitting rate.