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Anonymous wrote:Student and teacher school ratings are in conflict with some of the schools listed here, e.g. Blake, Einstein

https://sharedaccountability.mcpsmd.org/SurveyResults/content.php

Relatively small percentages of people participated in these surveys. That doesn't invalidate the responses of those who did participate, but it's important context.

Also: I think of underrated as an opinion held by people who have little to no direct experience with the school. Not those within it.

And yet systematically, both students and teachers rate lower income schools worse than wealthy schools.

You're insinuating this might be nonresponse bias. I think the answer is much simpler. MCPS is not doing as good of a job in low income schools as it is in high income schools. The low income schools do not have the resources they need to serve their students. And no, it's not that the students don't value education. Across the board 95%+ of student respondents agree it is important to them to do well in school.

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Anonymous wrote:Student and teacher school ratings are in conflict with some of the schools listed here, e.g. Blake, Einstein

https://sharedaccountability.mcpsmd.org/SurveyResults/content.php

OP did ask about underrated clusters.

Fair enough.

Let's say these schools are indeed "underrated" (definition: underestimated or undervalued) - meaning they are better than the teachers and students who are in the schools think they are. Let's set aside our skepticism that is true. That would be awful if teachers and students were being told their schools were bad when they were in fact good. That by itself can lower student performance (look it up).

You're being overly generous with your benefit of doubt and suspension of disbelief here.

I think it's disrespectful to invalidate the lived experiences of people who actually have to live with the realities of a school that is not performing. If the students and staff grade a school poorly, it's because the school actually [is bad. It doesn't mean that the school doesn't have the potential to be good, but it currently is not. And we should believe students and staff when they say as much.

PP I actually completely agree with you and do not think these schools are underrated. I believe the students and teachers.

I don't think there is any way to defend these poor ratings and it makes me sad White liberals in Silver Spring continually say how great these schools are. Often on the basis that their White kids are doing ok (even though White students don't rate the schools that well). They should be angry and demand better for their communities.

Not everyone has the same goals. Some value education more than others, and that's okay.

A more nuanced view of these schools is that despite a large cohort of students dragging down the test average that a sufficiently large cohort isn't held back and does as well as anywhere.

This suggests that the same kid would do as well at one of these schools as they would at the wealthiest school which is often lost on people who focus on simple minded averages like GS rankings.

Actually these results show that the vast majority of students value education. Saying some groups don't value education is racist bs.

That's nonsense! Not all students have the same goals. For example, pretending that everyone should take APs and that's the measure of merit is racist.

That's a far cry from saying some kids value education less than others

Anonymous wrote:Student and teacher school ratings are in conflict with some of the schools listed here, e.g. Blake, Einstein

https://sharedaccountability.mcpsmd.org/SurveyResults/content.php

Relatively small percentages of people participated in these surveys. That doesn't invalidate the responses of those who did participate, but it's important context.

Also: I think of underrated as an opinion held by people who have little to no direct experience with the school. Not those within it.

Magruder and Rockville. Both are smaller schools with older neighborhoods. Good housing to be found, nice communities.

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Anonymous wrote:Student and teacher school ratings are in conflict with some of the schools listed here, e.g. Blake, Einstein

https://sharedaccountability.mcpsmd.org/SurveyResults/content.php

OP did ask about underrated clusters.

Fair enough.

Let's say these schools are indeed "underrated" (definition: underestimated or undervalued) - meaning they are better than the teachers and students who are in the schools think they are. Let's set aside our skepticism that is true. That would be awful if teachers and students were being told their schools were bad when they were in fact good. That by itself can lower student performance (look it up).

You're being overly generous with your benefit of doubt and suspension of disbelief here.

I think it's disrespectful to invalidate the lived experiences of people who actually have to live with the realities of a school that is not performing. If the students and staff grade a school poorly, it's because the school actually [is bad. It doesn't mean that the school doesn't have the potential to be good, but it currently is not. And we should believe students and staff when they say as much.

PP I actually completely agree with you and do not think these schools are underrated. I believe the students and teachers.

I don't think there is any way to defend these poor ratings and it makes me sad White liberals in Silver Spring continually say how great these schools are. Often on the basis that their White kids are doing ok (even though White students don't rate the schools that well). They should be angry and demand better for their communities.

Not everyone has the same goals. Some value education more than others, and that's okay.

A more nuanced view of these schools is that despite a large cohort of students dragging down the test average that a sufficiently large cohort isn't held back and does as well as anywhere.

This suggests that the same kid would do as well at one of these schools as they would at the wealthiest school which is often lost on people who focus on simple minded averages like GS rankings.

Actually these results show that the vast majority of students value education. Saying some groups don't value education is racist bs.

That's nonsense! Not all students have the same goals. For example, pretending that everyone should take APs and that's the measure of merit is racist.

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Anonymous wrote:Student and teacher school ratings are in conflict with some of the schools listed here, e.g. Blake, Einstein

https://sharedaccountability.mcpsmd.org/SurveyResults/content.php

OP did ask about underrated clusters.

Fair enough.

Let's say these schools are indeed "underrated" (definition: underestimated or undervalued) - meaning they are better than the teachers and students who are in the schools think they are. Let's set aside our skepticism that is true. That would be awful if teachers and students were being told their schools were bad when they were in fact good. That by itself can lower student performance (look it up).

You're being overly generous with your benefit of doubt and suspension of disbelief here.

I think it's disrespectful to invalidate the lived experiences of people who actually have to live with the realities of a school that is not performing. If the students and staff grade a school poorly, it's because the school actually [is bad. It doesn't mean that the school doesn't have the potential to be good, but it currently is not. And we should believe students and staff when they say as much.

PP I actually completely agree with you and do not think these schools are underrated. I believe the students and teachers.

I don't think there is any way to defend these poor ratings and it makes me sad White liberals in Silver Spring continually say how great these schools are. Often on the basis that their White kids are doing ok (even though White students don't rate the schools that well). They should be angry and demand better for their communities.

Not everyone has the same goals. Some value education more than others, and that's okay.

A more nuanced view of these schools is that despite a large cohort of students dragging down the test average that a sufficiently large cohort isn't held back and does as well as anywhere.

This suggests that the same kid would do as well at one of these schools as they would at the wealthiest school which is often lost on people who focus on simple minded averages like GS rankings.

Actually these results show that the vast majority of students value education. Saying some groups don't value education is racist bs.

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Anonymous wrote:Student and teacher school ratings are in conflict with some of the schools listed here, e.g. Blake, Einstein

https://sharedaccountability.mcpsmd.org/SurveyResults/content.php

I only looked at Einstein, but the results were pretty good. It's interesting - for all of the categories, a majority of students either "agreed" or "strongly agreed" with the various metrics. It's an overall good picture, but then they ranked the school a C. When set alongside the high marks in specific areas though, this feels like teenage obnoxiousness more than a true picture of how they feel.

Are the large majority of teachers that disagreed that the work environment is positive at Einstein also just being "obnoxious"? Also are poor teenagers more obnoxious than rich teenagers?

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Anonymous wrote:Student and teacher school ratings are in conflict with some of the schools listed here, e.g. Blake, Einstein

https://sharedaccountability.mcpsmd.org/SurveyResults/content.php

I only looked at Einstein, but the results were pretty good. It's interesting - for all of the categories, a majority of students either "agreed" or "strongly agreed" with the various metrics. It's an overall good picture, but then they ranked the school a C. When set alongside the high marks in specific areas though, this feels like teenage obnoxiousness more than a true picture of how they feel.

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Anonymous wrote:Student and teacher school ratings are in conflict with some of the schools listed here, e.g. Blake, Einstein

https://sharedaccountability.mcpsmd.org/SurveyResults/content.php

OP did ask about underrated clusters.

Fair enough.

Let's say these schools are indeed "underrated" (definition: underestimated or undervalued) - meaning they are better than the teachers and students who are in the schools think they are. Let's set aside our skepticism that is true. That would be awful if teachers and students were being told their schools were bad when they were in fact good. That by itself can lower student performance (look it up).

You're being overly generous with your benefit of doubt and suspension of disbelief here.

I think it's disrespectful to invalidate the lived experiences of people who actually have to live with the realities of a school that is not performing. If the students and staff grade a school poorly, it's because the school actually [is bad. It doesn't mean that the school doesn't have the potential to be good, but it currently is not. And we should believe students and staff when they say as much.

PP I actually completely agree with you and do not think these schools are underrated. I believe the students and teachers.

I don't think there is any way to defend these poor ratings and it makes me sad White liberals in Silver Spring continually say how great these schools are. Often on the basis that their White kids are doing ok (even though White students don't rate the schools that well). They should be angry and demand better for their communities.

Not everyone has the same goals. Some value education more than others, and that's okay.

A more nuanced view of these schools is that despite a large cohort of students dragging down the test average that a sufficiently large cohort isn't held back and does as well as anywhere.

This suggests that the same kid would do as well at one of these schools as they would at the wealthiest school which is often lost on people who focus on simple minded averages like GS rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, OP, that these PPs have decided to hijack your thread.

Blake has been mentioned twice as being "underrated" (and once indirectly based on the NEC comment). Students and teachers in the school do not rate it well, and they should be believed, not dismissed.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, OP, that these PPs have decided to hijack your thread.

Blake has been mentioned twice as being "underrated" (and once indirectly based on the NEC comment). Students and teachers in the school do not rate it well, and they should be believed, not dismissed.

Anonymous wrote:Meaning cheap real estate but actually great public schools?

I'm interested.

We should probably define "cheap" and "great."

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Anonymous wrote:Student and teacher school ratings are in conflict with some of the schools listed here, e.g. Blake, Einstein

https://sharedaccountability.mcpsmd.org/SurveyResults/content.php

OP did ask about underrated clusters.

Fair enough.

Let's say these schools are indeed "underrated" (definition: underestimated or undervalued) - meaning they are better than the teachers and students who are in the schools think they are. Let's set aside our skepticism that is true. That would be awful if teachers and students were being told their schools were bad when they were in fact good. That by itself can lower student performance (look it up).

You're being overly generous with your benefit of doubt and suspension of disbelief here.

I think it's disrespectful to invalidate the lived experiences of people who actually have to live with the realities of a school that is not performing. If the students and staff grade a school poorly, it's because the school actually [is bad. It doesn't mean that the school doesn't have the potential to be good, but it currently is not. And we should believe students and staff when they say as much.

PP I actually completely agree with you and do not think these schools are underrated. I believe the students and teachers.

I don't think there is any way to defend these poor ratings and it makes me sad White liberals in Silver Spring continually say how great these schools are. Often on the basis that their White kids are doing ok (even though White students don't rate the schools that well). They should be angry and demand better for their communities.

White liberals often have this attitude. They're fine as long as things are fine for them. Once things go south, they're out of there. They like to talk a good game about how they value public education and care about non-White students, but it's not really true.

How can anyone say these schools are 'underrated' and defend such abysmal statistics. If the schools aren't educating all our students (which is literally the point of public school!) then it's fair to say that the school is NOT performing well. Like the PP says - listen to the staff and students who are actually AT the school. Fight to make things better for them. Don't just defend the poor ratings and say things are 'great' when that is not true.

Sorry, OP, that these PPs have decided to hijack your thread.