Anonymous
Post 07/26/2024 10:01     Subject: Pinecrest and IAS entry
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can you get injured diving into a shallow pool, yes, but by guess is that the people who get paralyzed or seriously injured diving into a shallow pool are diving in as if trying to swim to the bottom, that is going head first and straight down, which is very different than "diving" in for a race start.

Parent of a club swimmer and my kid’s normal start dive would not be remotely safe in a 2.5 foot deep pool. When people are having to alter their entry into the pool to avoid injury that is less than ideal.


Thanks for specifying that your kid is a *club* swimmer.

I wrote the above and my kids are also an OMG *club* swimmers, and both swimming at All Stars. I have no doubt they will be will be just fine tomorrow. Life is about adapting and with so many variable pools in the league they have to adapt at every meet. Not expecting best times, but it is what it is.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2024 09:24     Subject: Pinecrest and IAS entry
We all know it's less than ideal. Please tell us all about your ideal pool and why it didn't volunteer to host.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2024 09:20     Subject: Pinecrest and IAS entry
Anonymous wrote:Can you get injured diving into a shallow pool, yes, but by guess is that the people who get paralyzed or seriously injured diving into a shallow pool are diving in as if trying to swim to the bottom, that is going head first and straight down, which is very different than "diving" in for a race start.

Parent of a club swimmer and my kid’s normal start dive would not be remotely safe in a 2.5 foot deep pool. When people are having to alter their entry into the pool to avoid injury that is less than ideal.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2024 09:12     Subject: Pinecrest and IAS entry
Can you get injured diving into a shallow pool, yes, but by guess is that the people who get paralyzed or seriously injured diving into a shallow pool are diving in as if trying to swim to the bottom, that is going head first and straight down, which is very different than "diving" in for a race start.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2024 09:02     Subject: Pinecrest and IAS entry
Anonymous wrote:I am the PP who first commented that this is unsafe. I’m glad at least one other person agrees. The reasoning that it’s fine because this is how it’s been done for a long time is insane. We live in a different era than when these old pools were built. We update rules when we know better. If a pool has a “no diving” sign in its shallow end, it’s not a good idea for swim team kids to be diving in there over and over. It only takes one bad dive for a tragedy. Not every kid on the swim team has a good shallow dive. Even the ones that do, their back foot can slip and all of a sudden they go much deeper than planned.

I have thought for years that NVSL is crazy. I guess it’s still true.


I wonder if there is some county code. I’m guessing this meet it if there is one.

Our pool has “no diving” marked from the shallowest end (about 3.5 feet) to where the slope to the deep end begins (~5 or 6 feet).
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2024 08:51     Subject: Pinecrest and IAS entry
Anonymous wrote:It's funny. The ones who complain about 2.5 ft have no skin in the game.

It’s not a complaint really, more a statement of fact that it is unsafe to be diving into 2.5 feet of water. That NVSL parents are this defensive over a basic concept such as diving into very shallow water is unsafe is wild.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2024 08:32     Subject: Pinecrest and IAS entry
New Poster - I have a swimmer in all stars and yes, I think it’s unsafe to dive in 2.5ft.

As a former NVSL swimmer with kids now on NVSL, I’m shocked all stars is at Pinecrest. No shade to Pinecrest, lovely community and appreciate them stepping up and hosting. Yes, I could pull my child from the meet, but it’s the first time they made it and they are super excited. Child is practicing shallow dives all week and praying no child is injured at the event.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2024 08:21     Subject: Pinecrest and IAS entry
It's funny. The ones who complain about 2.5 ft have no skin in the game.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2024 07:51     Subject: Pinecrest and IAS entry
Anonymous wrote:Then join the NVSL board. Whining on a random Internet forum isn’t going to bring about a change.


This. It's not like Pinecrest was announced last week. Get on it -- they are hosting again next summer so now's your chance!
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2024 07:51     Subject: Pinecrest and IAS entry
Do you not know what internet message boards are for? 90% of what is posted on this site is people complaining about something. I have no skin in this game because we are in another league, but was shocked to see that a league like NVSL is having kids dive into 2.5 feet of water. My kid doesn’t like diving into 4.5 feet so I can’t imagine what diving into 2.5 feet is like.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2024 07:42     Subject: Pinecrest and IAS entry
Then join the NVSL board. Whining on a random Internet forum isn’t going to bring about a change.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2024 07:38     Subject: Pinecrest and IAS entry
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am the PP who first commented that this is unsafe. I’m glad at least one other person agrees. The reasoning that it’s fine because this is how it’s been done for a long time is insane. We live in a different era than when these old pools were built. We update rules when we know better. If a pool has a “no diving” sign in its shallow end, it’s not a good idea for swim team kids to be diving in there over and over. It only takes one bad dive for a tragedy. Not every kid on the swim team has a good shallow dive. Even the ones that do, their back foot can slip and all of a sudden they go much deeper than planned.

I have thought for years that NVSL is crazy. I guess it’s still true.


Then have your kid scratch. There’s no one making your kid participate but you.

Forest for the trees. Having kids dive into 2.5 feet of water is unsafe, period. The answer isn’t to pull your kid if you don’t like it, the answer is to not run an event under an inherently unsafe condition. It’s shocking to me from a liability perspective that this is being allowed to happen.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2024 07:33     Subject: Pinecrest and IAS entry
Anonymous wrote:I am the PP who first commented that this is unsafe. I’m glad at least one other person agrees. The reasoning that it’s fine because this is how it’s been done for a long time is insane. We live in a different era than when these old pools were built. We update rules when we know better. If a pool has a “no diving” sign in its shallow end, it’s not a good idea for swim team kids to be diving in there over and over. It only takes one bad dive for a tragedy. Not every kid on the swim team has a good shallow dive. Even the ones that do, their back foot can slip and all of a sudden they go much deeper than planned.

I have thought for years that NVSL is crazy. I guess it’s still true.


Then have your kid scratch. There’s no one making your kid participate but you.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2024 05:46     Subject: Pinecrest and IAS entry
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NP and not NVSL, but your all star meet is having kids dive into 2.5 feet of water?! I’m sorry but that is a clear safety issue and “pool familiarization” is not the answer. You all care so much about summer swim that everyone is going along with this like it’s NBD?


So why are you even commenting?

Right, because NVSL parents confine themselves to only posting in threads related to NVSL.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2024 00:06     Subject: Pinecrest and IAS entry
I am the PP who first commented that this is unsafe. I’m glad at least one other person agrees. The reasoning that it’s fine because this is how it’s been done for a long time is insane. We live in a different era than when these old pools were built. We update rules when we know better. If a pool has a “no diving” sign in its shallow end, it’s not a good idea for swim team kids to be diving in there over and over. It only takes one bad dive for a tragedy. Not every kid on the swim team has a good shallow dive. Even the ones that do, their back foot can slip and all of a sudden they go much deeper than planned.

I have thought for years that NVSL is crazy. I guess it’s still true.