That is very upsetting. I've really loved Alice Munro's stories and novels.

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is sad. I don’t know how trashing her mom’s reputation is going to help her heal or grieve. I hope she can move on, forgive, find peace.

I think AM did that herself when she treated her child in this way.

Anonymous wrote:Horrible to read.... especially as someone who experienced something similar from my own mother.

But yes, I will still read her. I can still enjoy the art even if the artist is problematic/horrible in their personal life. Plan to reread some of my favorite short stories of hers with this information in mind, it's pretty interesting perspective.

Unfortunately I did too. I think this is all too common.

I heard rumblings of character problems with her a decade ago when I was doing an MFA in creative writing. Nothing definite, but this does not surprise me.

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is sad. I don’t know how trashing her mom’s reputation is going to help her heal or grieve. I hope she can move on, forgive, find peace.

Do you think every abuse victim that shares their story is just out to trash someone’s reputation?

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is sad. I don’t know how trashing her mom’s reputation is going to help her heal or grieve. I hope she can move on, forgive, find peace.

It's not trashing, it's revealing the truth so she can move on without the entire world believing a hurtful lie and forcing her to read it over and over again. It sounds like she and her siblings are absolutely trying to find peace.

The whole thing is sad. I don’t know how trashing her mom’s reputation is going to help her heal or grieve. I hope she can move on, forgive, find peace.

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Anonymous wrote:Horrible to read.... especially as someone who experienced something similar from my own mother.

But yes, I will still read her. I can still enjoy the art even if the artist is problematic/horrible in their personal life. Plan to reread some of my favorite short stories of hers with this information in mind, it's pretty interesting perspective.

This is a really gross way to say you are separating the art from the artist. Seems like you’re getting off on the abuse of a child.

I think you’re the one with the problem. Art can and should be separated from the artist. Thinking PP is getting off on it? I think you’re the gross one.

No. There is no way to interpret PP saying “Plan to reread some of my favorite short stories of hers with this information in mind, it's pretty interesting perspective.” than that they are taking pleasure in someone else’s trauma.

There is no “interesting perspective” about knowing a child was repeatedly assaulted and “keeping that in mind” while re-reading Alice’s short stories.

And you that are defending that PP, look deep into yourself. There’s something very wrong with you to think what that person wrote is ok.

So you don’t watch documentaries about rape or assault, or read books about them? Because that’s taking pleasure in someone else’s trauma?

Looks like millions of people are gross to you, then. Probably every person I know. I don’t really know anyone who doesn’t like to watch that stuff.

Yep. We’re definitely the ones with the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Horrible to read.... especially as someone who experienced something similar from my own mother.

But yes, I will still read her. I can still enjoy the art even if the artist is problematic/horrible in their personal life. Plan to reread some of my favorite short stories of hers with this information in mind, it's pretty interesting perspective.

This is a really gross way to say you are separating the art from the artist. Seems like you’re getting off on the abuse of a child.

I think you’re the one with the problem. Art can and should be separated from the artist. Thinking PP is getting off on it? I think you’re the gross one.

No. There is no way to interpret PP saying “Plan to reread some of my favorite short stories of hers with this information in mind, it's pretty interesting perspective.” than that they are taking pleasure in someone else’s trauma.

There is no “interesting perspective” about knowing a child was repeatedly assaulted and “keeping that in mind” while re-reading Alice’s short stories.

And you that are defending that PP, look deep into yourself. There’s something very wrong with you to think what that person wrote is ok.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd like an accounting of all the adult family members! Why the F didn't her father and stepmother bring charges? Why was she ever allowed to go back? Every adult who should have protected her failed not only her but every other child that pedophile abused.

She should be stripped of all awards even though she's dead.

Did they know? The daughter told the mother when she was an adult. And then pressed charges on her own.

Yes, she told her father and stepmother.

She told them as a child what was happening? Omg the whole family is sick.

Yes. Read her account from the Toronto paper if you can find it. It gives all the details.

I’m not a subscriber, I’ve just been reading the synopsis posted in other papers like The Post. I realize that the draw is on Alice as the famous person, but they shouldn’t be leaving out that other adults were culpable in the abuse as well.

I just read a comment on The Post’s article that is truly horrifying. Essentially the person said that Andrea was failed by her mother and father because they simply didn’t view pedophilia/assaulting a child as a crime. Awful.

Well I apparently can’t read. I just clicked on The Post article again and I saw that they did include that Andrea told her stepmother who told her father. So these 2 adults did not protect Andrea as a child and then Alice ignored the situation years later when she was told. Horrible.

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Anonymous wrote:Horrible to read.... especially as someone who experienced something similar from my own mother.

But yes, I will still read her. I can still enjoy the art even if the artist is problematic/horrible in their personal life. Plan to reread some of my favorite short stories of hers with this information in mind, it's pretty interesting perspective.

This is a really gross way to say you are separating the art from the artist. Seems like you’re getting off on the abuse of a child.

I think you’re the one with the problem. Art can and should be separated from the artist. Thinking PP is getting off on it? I think you’re the gross one.

I read the Toronto article just now and I am upset but not entirely surprised. So many great artists are absolute garbage people, selfish, narcissistic. I am so glad that disgusting man was stupid enough to write his crimes down on paper, and that the truth is coming out, but it's pretty telling we only find this out after she died, because the family still wanted to protect her even though they knew what a horrible person she was.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd like an accounting of all the adult family members! Why the F didn't her father and stepmother bring charges? Why was she ever allowed to go back? Every adult who should have protected her failed not only her but every other child that pedophile abused.

She should be stripped of all awards even though she's dead.

Did they know? The daughter told the mother when she was an adult. And then pressed charges on her own.

Yes, she told her father and stepmother.

She told them as a child what was happening? Omg the whole family is sick.

Yes. Read her account from the Toronto paper if you can find it. It gives all the details.

I’m not a subscriber, I’ve just been reading the synopsis posted in other papers like The Post. I realize that the draw is on Alice as the famous person, but they shouldn’t be leaving out that other adults were culpable in the abuse as well.

I just read a comment on The Post’s article that is truly horrifying. Essentially the person said that Andrea was failed by her mother and father because they simply didn’t view pedophilia/assaulting a child as a crime. Awful.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd like an accounting of all the adult family members! Why the F didn't her father and stepmother bring charges? Why was she ever allowed to go back? Every adult who should have protected her failed not only her but every other child that pedophile abused.

She should be stripped of all awards even though she's dead.

Did they know? The daughter told the mother when she was an adult. And then pressed charges on her own.

Yes, she told her father and stepmother.

She told them as a child what was happening? Omg the whole family is sick.

Yes. Read her account from the Toronto paper if you can find it. It gives all the details.

Anonymous wrote:I can not imagine being so weak minded that I'd consider sexual abuse between a child and a grown man "none of my business".

It's absolutely monstrous. There are many many men out there she could have found companionship with. But to ignore the horror your kid lived through to choose that man? Disgusting.

There are a lot of disgusting women out there that excused their husband’s crimes. Look at Dottie Sandusky.