Anonymous wrote:UC’s testblind feels racist against Asians.

How does it "feel" so?
Is this based on any data you care to share or just your gut "feeling" after downing a few beers?

This thread is rife with bad, biased, and heavily exaggerated information. Readers beware.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but I can't find any info on this. Have they made the decision yet?

The UC system looked into whether test scores were useful in college admissions and their own researchers found that it was the single best predictor of college performance. The same committee recommended keeping standardized tests for admissions. The UC regents then went and eliminated standardized tests for admissions. With that history, I seriously doubt UC schools will reinstate testing requirements anytime soon.

This. The UC regents look incredibly foolish, especially since most colleges and universities followed them into test optional. We now know from additional research that testing DOES predict college and after college success so all of those universities and colleges are dropping test optional day by day. The problem for UC schools is that they eliminated testing so they could continue to accept minority URM, etc students who didn't have the test scores. That hasn't worked well for them. And the professors are angry. Currently the UC schools delve deep into the applications to find race issues because they aren't allowed to do it openly. Yes, it's a mess.

And this is further complicated by the fact that URM's were doing well comparatively. However many families were not having their kid take the SAT due to costs.

Not true. It's been demonstrated nationwide that those students who got in test optional have not succeeded. The professors are united in thus. Google it

I don't need to google it. Look on Brown's admissions page. One of the reasons SATs have been reintroduced is because all the rich white kids who went TO flunked year 1 of college while all the URM kids who weren't taking it because of cost or going TO were actually doing better.

DP.

I don't know why you're seemingly cherry picking what you want to believe, but I'm strongly opposed to test optional and even more so to test blind admissions policies, and that applies to every applicant - white, black, brown, green, whatever. Promoting evaluation on the basis of less[b] information is idiotic, ineffective, and sets everyone up for uncertainty and disappointment.

If I wanted to participate in a lottery, I would have bought a ticket, FFS.

Honestly you don't make a compelling case for yourself or your opinions.

Anonymous wrote:UC’s testblind feels racist against Asians.

They have under representation of Black and Hispanic students, and their current admissions practices. Only 20% of the school is white for crying out loud. What more can Berkeley do other than ban non-asian students from applying

UC’s testblind feels racist against Asians.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but I can't find any info on this. Have they made the decision yet?

The UC system looked into whether test scores were useful in college admissions and their own researchers found that it was the single best predictor of college performance. The same committee recommended keeping standardized tests for admissions. The UC regents then went and eliminated standardized tests for admissions. With that history, I seriously doubt UC schools will reinstate testing requirements anytime soon.

This. The UC regents look incredibly foolish, especially since most colleges and universities followed them into test optional. We now know from additional research that testing DOES predict college and after college success so all of those universities and colleges are dropping test optional day by day. The problem for UC schools is that they eliminated testing so they could continue to accept minority URM, etc students who didn't have the test scores. That hasn't worked well for them. And the professors are angry. Currently the UC schools delve deep into the applications to find race issues because they aren't allowed to do it openly. Yes, it's a mess.

And this is further complicated by the fact that URM's were doing well comparatively. However many families were not having their kid take the SAT due to costs.

Not true. It's been demonstrated nationwide that those students who got in test optional have not succeeded. The professors are united in thus. Google it

I don't need to google it. Look on Brown's admissions page. One of the reasons SATs have been reintroduced is because all the rich white kids who went TO flunked year 1 of college while all the URM kids who weren't taking it because of cost or going TO were actually doing better.

DP.

I don't know why you're seemingly cherry picking what you want to believe, but I'm strongly opposed to test optional and even more so to test blind admissions policies, and that applies to every applicant - white, black, brown, green, whatever. Promoting evaluation on the basis of less[b] information is idiotic, ineffective, and sets everyone up for uncertainty and disappointment.

If I wanted to participate in a lottery, I would have bought a ticket, FFS.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but I can't find any info on this. Have they made the decision yet?

The UC system looked into whether test scores were useful in college admissions and their own researchers found that it was the single best predictor of college performance. The same committee recommended keeping standardized tests for admissions. The UC regents then went and eliminated standardized tests for admissions. With that history, I seriously doubt UC schools will reinstate testing requirements anytime soon.

This. The UC regents look incredibly foolish, especially since most colleges and universities followed them into test optional. We now know from additional research that testing DOES predict college and after college success so all of those universities and colleges are dropping test optional day by day. The problem for UC schools is that they eliminated testing so they could continue to accept minority URM, etc students who didn't have the test scores. That hasn't worked well for them. And the professors are angry. Currently the UC schools delve deep into the applications to find race issues because they aren't allowed to do it openly. Yes, it's a mess.

And this is further complicated by the fact that URM's were doing well comparatively. However many families were not having their kid take the SAT due to costs.

Not true. It's been demonstrated nationwide that those students who got in test optional have not succeeded. The professors are united in thus. Google it

I don't need to google it. Look on Brown's admissions page. One of the reasons SATs have been reintroduced is because all the rich white kids who went TO flunked year 1 of college while all the URM kids who weren't taking it because of cost or going TO were actually doing better.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but I can't find any info on this. Have they made the decision yet?

The UC system looked into whether test scores were useful in college admissions and their own researchers found that it was the single best predictor of college performance. The same committee recommended keeping standardized tests for admissions. The UC regents then went and eliminated standardized tests for admissions. With that history, I seriously doubt UC schools will reinstate testing requirements anytime soon.

This. The UC regents look incredibly foolish, especially since most colleges and universities followed them into test optional. We now know from additional research that testing DOES predict college and after college success so all of those universities and colleges are dropping test optional day by day. The problem for UC schools is that they eliminated testing so they could continue to accept minority URM, etc students who didn't have the test scores. That hasn't worked well for them. And the professors are angry. Currently the UC schools delve deep into the applications to find race issues because they aren't allowed to do it openly. Yes, it's a mess.

And this is further complicated by the fact that URM's were doing well comparatively. However many families were not having their kid take the SAT due to costs.

Not true. It's been demonstrated nationwide that those students who got in test optional have not succeeded. The professors are united in thus. Google it

You speak on behalf of all professors?

DP.

Go chew on the UT press release from a few months back, dig up their data, and then take a deep breath as you consider how clueless you appear for trying to persist with this argument that ANYONE other than the parents of "bad test takers" are pleased with the outcomes arising from test blind and test optional admissions processes. They have led to significant declines in outcomes, and it's only getting worse.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but I can't find any info on this. Have they made the decision yet?

The UC system looked into whether test scores were useful in college admissions and their own researchers found that it was the single best predictor of college performance. The same committee recommended keeping standardized tests for admissions. The UC regents then went and eliminated standardized tests for admissions. With that history, I seriously doubt UC schools will reinstate testing requirements anytime soon.

This. The UC regents look incredibly foolish, especially since most colleges and universities followed them into test optional. We now know from additional research that testing DOES predict college and after college success so all of those universities and colleges are dropping test optional day by day. The problem for UC schools is that they eliminated testing so they could continue to accept minority URM, etc students who didn't have the test scores. That hasn't worked well for them. And the professors are angry. Currently the UC schools delve deep into the applications to find race issues because they aren't allowed to do it openly. Yes, it's a mess.

Totally not true! UC’s stopped considering race/ethnicity in 1996. The first entering class in 1998 were the first cohort. So it has been 26 years since UC’s stopped with affirmative action. They only stopped accepting testing since the pandemic.

Tje college board did a study after years of saying test prep dues r do much. Kids who did 20 hours of free online khan had average score increases of 115 points. Now imagine how much a private Sat tutor can raise your score and/or a parent who is able to pay and drive their child to group classes or are able to sit down with their child to make sure they study for the SAT and can help them understand what they got wrong. This is why the UC’s stopped considering SAT scores.

+1 This is why standardized testing is dead.

Yikes, you need to get out more often and read the news. It's far from dead, amigo.

And actually, to be clear, the socioeconomic bias and test development bias arguments are laughably blown out of the water whenever actual science gets anywhere near them. The tests do what they are designed to do, predict college preparedness.

You can put a "bad test taker" in front of the best SAT tutor in the country for dozens of hours (excuse), have them sit in front of Khan Academy for hundreds of hours (excuse), have them take dozens of practice tests in a remote monastery somewhere (excuse), pay for them to take the test AND pay them so they don't have to hold down a job after school (excuses), provide 24/7 care for their siblings and loved ones so they have no responsibilities at home (excuses), invent a Time Machine so they can reset and do life in "privilege" (excuse), and even given them the most generous accommodation available (excuse) ... guess what? They still will have their barn doors blown off by the test.

Some of y'all just lack the wits to demonstrate preparedness for college. Does that mean that you have zero chance of completing college, or even thriving in college? No, of course not. But does it mean that the probability of that happening is much lower than it is for "good test takers"? Absolutely yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but I can't find any info on this. Have they made the decision yet?

The UC system looked into whether test scores were useful in college admissions and their own researchers found that it was the single best predictor of college performance. The same committee recommended keeping standardized tests for admissions. The UC regents then went and eliminated standardized tests for admissions. With that history, I seriously doubt UC schools will reinstate testing requirements anytime soon.

This. The UC regents look incredibly foolish, especially since most colleges and universities followed them into test optional. We now know from additional research that testing DOES predict college and after college success so all of those universities and colleges are dropping test optional day by day. The problem for UC schools is that they eliminated testing so they could continue to accept minority URM, etc students who didn't have the test scores. That hasn't worked well for them. And the professors are angry. Currently the UC schools delve deep into the applications to find race issues because they aren't allowed to do it openly. Yes, it's a mess.

And this is further complicated by the fact that URM's were doing well comparatively. However many families were not having their kid take the SAT due to costs.

Not true. It's been demonstrated nationwide that those students who got in test optional have not succeeded. The professors are united in thus. Google it

You speak on behalf of all professors?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but I can't find any info on this. Have they made the decision yet?

The UC system looked into whether test scores were useful in college admissions and their own researchers found that it was the single best predictor of college performance. The same committee recommended keeping standardized tests for admissions. The UC regents then went and eliminated standardized tests for admissions. With that history, I seriously doubt UC schools will reinstate testing requirements anytime soon.

This. The UC regents look incredibly foolish, especially since most colleges and universities followed them into test optional. We now know from additional research that testing DOES predict college and after college success so all of those universities and colleges are dropping test optional day by day. The problem for UC schools is that they eliminated testing so they could continue to accept minority URM, etc students who didn't have the test scores. That hasn't worked well for them. And the professors are angry. Currently the UC schools delve deep into the applications to find race issues because they aren't allowed to do it openly. Yes, it's a mess.

And this is further complicated by the fact that URM's were doing well comparatively. However many families were not having their kid take the SAT due to costs.

Not true. It's been demonstrated nationwide that those students who got in test optional have not succeeded. The professors are united in thus. Google it

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but I can't find any info on this. Have they made the decision yet?

The UC system looked into whether test scores were useful in college admissions and their own researchers found that it was the single best predictor of college performance. The same committee recommended keeping standardized tests for admissions. The UC regents then went and eliminated standardized tests for admissions. With that history, I seriously doubt UC schools will reinstate testing requirements anytime soon.

This. The UC regents look incredibly foolish, especially since most colleges and universities followed them into test optional. We now know from additional research that testing DOES predict college and after college success so all of those universities and colleges are dropping test optional day by day. The problem for UC schools is that they eliminated testing so they could continue to accept minority URM, etc students who didn't have the test scores. That hasn't worked well for them. And the professors are angry. Currently the UC schools delve deep into the applications to find race issues because they aren't allowed to do it openly. Yes, it's a mess.

Totally not true! UC’s stopped considering race/ethnicity in 1996. The first entering class in 1998 were the first cohort. So it has been 26 years since UC’s stopped with affirmative action. They only stopped accepting testing since the pandemic.

Tje college board did a study after years of saying test prep dues r do much. Kids who did 20 hours of free online khan had average score increases of 115 points. Now imagine how much a private Sat tutor can raise your score and/or a parent who is able to pay and drive their child to group classes or are able to sit down with their child to make sure they study for the SAT and can help them understand what they got wrong. This is why the UC’s stopped considering SAT scores.

+1 This is why standardized testing is dead.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but I can't find any info on this. Have they made the decision yet?

The UC system looked into whether test scores were useful in college admissions and their own researchers found that it was the single best predictor of college performance. The same committee recommended keeping standardized tests for admissions. The UC regents then went and eliminated standardized tests for admissions. With that history, I seriously doubt UC schools will reinstate testing requirements anytime soon.

This. The UC regents look incredibly foolish, especially since most colleges and universities followed them into test optional. We now know from additional research that testing DOES predict college and after college success so all of those universities and colleges are dropping test optional day by day. The problem for UC schools is that they eliminated testing so they could continue to accept minority URM, etc students who didn't have the test scores. That hasn't worked well for them. And the professors are angry. Currently the UC schools delve deep into the applications to find race issues because they aren't allowed to do it openly. Yes, it's a mess.

Totally not true! UC’s stopped considering race/ethnicity in 1996. The first entering class in 1998 were the first cohort. So it has been 26 years since UC’s stopped with affirmative action. They only stopped accepting testing since the pandemic.

Tje college board did a study after years of saying test prep dues r do much. Kids who did 20 hours of free online khan had average score increases of 115 points. Now imagine how much a private Sat tutor can raise your score and/or a parent who is able to pay and drive their child to group classes or are able to sit down with their child to make sure they study for the SAT and can help them understand what they got wrong. This is why the UC’s stopped considering SAT scores.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but I can't find any info on this. Have they made the decision yet?

The UC system looked into whether test scores were useful in college admissions and their own researchers found that it was the single best predictor of college performance. The same committee recommended keeping standardized tests for admissions. The UC regents then went and eliminated standardized tests for admissions. With that history, I seriously doubt UC schools will reinstate testing requirements anytime soon.

This. The UC regents look incredibly foolish, especially since most colleges and universities followed them into test optional. We now know from additional research that testing DOES predict college and after college success so all of those universities and colleges are dropping test optional day by day. The problem for UC schools is that they eliminated testing so they could continue to accept minority URM, etc students who didn't have the test scores. That hasn't worked well for them. And the professors are angry. Currently the UC schools delve deep into the applications to find race issues because they aren't allowed to do it openly. Yes, it's a mess.

And this is further complicated by the fact that URM's were doing well comparatively. However many families were not having their kid take the SAT due to costs.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but I can't find any info on this. Have they made the decision yet?

The UC system looked into whether test scores were useful in college admissions and their own researchers found that it was the single best predictor of college performance. The same committee recommended keeping standardized tests for admissions. The UC regents then went and eliminated standardized tests for admissions. With that history, I seriously doubt UC schools will reinstate testing requirements anytime soon.

This. The UC regents look incredibly foolish, especially since most colleges and universities followed them into test optional. We now know from additional research that testing DOES predict college and after college success so all of those universities and colleges are dropping test optional day by day. The problem for UC schools is that they eliminated testing so they could continue to accept minority URM, etc students who didn't have the test scores. That hasn't worked well for them. And the professors are angry. Currently the UC schools delve deep into the applications to find race issues because they aren't allowed to do it openly. Yes, it's a mess.