It looks like they are addressing some of the critiques noted in this thread by splitting the team into recreational and competitive groups that will practice together on more of a set schedule.

https://www.gomotionapp.com/team/usavatsj/page/stj-recreation-team-info

https://www.gomotionapp.com/team/usavatsj/page/info-on-team

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm pretty sure both those teenaged boy breaststrokers are leaving. At least according to the teenaged swimmer gossip mill.

(And both were fast at other teams long before the St James)

Both joined the St James team in 2021 with a track record of mostly B times in 100 breaststroke. Now they are AA/AAA with an occasional AAAA time. But sure, keep telling yourself they made no real progress in 3 years. LMAO.

(NP not in Nova with no skin in this game). You really took the time to track and classify these kids’ times back to the pre-2021 era?

Uhh, there are countless websites that show swimmers’ progress over multiple years. Just takes a few mouse clicks to figure out whether someone is spewing BS or knows what they are talking about.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm pretty sure both those teenaged boy breaststrokers are leaving. At least according to the teenaged swimmer gossip mill.

(And both were fast at other teams long before the St James)

Both joined the St James team in 2021 with a track record of mostly B times in 100 breaststroke. Now they are AA/AAA with an occasional AAAA time. But sure, keep telling yourself they made no real progress in 3 years. LMAO.

(NP not in Nova with no skin in this game). You really took the time to track and classify these kids’ times back to the pre-2021 era?

We’ll be watching to see them take off when they join your team next year. Another kid in that teenage age group left for one of the big name teams last summer. He had an up and down year with the new club.

Younger kids leave for 5 day a week programs and see big gains at first but is it sustainable. Who knows.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm pretty sure both those teenaged boy breaststrokers are leaving. At least according to the teenaged swimmer gossip mill.

(And both were fast at other teams long before the St James)

Both joined the St James team in 2021 with a track record of mostly B times in 100 breaststroke. Now they are AA/AAA with an occasional AAAA time. But sure, keep telling yourself they made no real progress in 3 years. LMAO.

How much of that is due to the coaching at St. James, rather than just their natural talent?

DD swims at a club that had swimmers at the Olympic trials. The coaching is solid, but there are just some kids whose talent rivals the best in the world. It's who swims, not where they swim.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm pretty sure both those teenaged boy breaststrokers are leaving. At least according to the teenaged swimmer gossip mill.

(And both were fast at other teams long before the St James)[/quote]

Both joined the St James team in 2021 with a track record of mostly B times in 100 breaststroke. Now they are AA/AAA with an occasional AAAA time. But sure, keep telling yourself they made no real progress in 3 years. LMAO. [/quote]

Ah yes boys that can go 21.5 or faster in the 50 free yet can’t even break 1:50 in the 200 free! That’s some incredible development there.[/quote]

NP trying to keep up with the reasoning for the hate and discontent towards this swim program. First it was the swimmers are never any good and they don’t develop at all. Now it’s they are so good they should be studs in every stroke and distance. Maybe these guys don’t want to be middle distance freestylers. [/quote]

There is a difference between not wanting to be a middle distance freestyler and being physically incapable of it.

Due to the flexible nature of this program, no swimmer is ever on any sort of training plan and so this program is only useful for swimmers that are genetically gifted as there is zero focus on stroke improvement or any training.

Unless you have a boy that is 6+ feet tall or girl 5’9” or taller with a decent amount of muscle mass already that solely wants to go fast for a 50 at summer league, you are just throwing money down the drain with this program.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm pretty sure both those teenaged boy breaststrokers are leaving. At least according to the teenaged swimmer gossip mill.

(And both were fast at other teams long before the St James)[/quote]

Both joined the St James team in 2021 with a track record of mostly B times in 100 breaststroke. Now they are AA/AAA with an occasional AAAA time. But sure, keep telling yourself they made no real progress in 3 years. LMAO. [/quote]

Ah yes boys that can go 21.5 or faster in the 50 free yet can’t even break 1:50 in the 200 free! That’s some incredible development there.[/quote]

NP trying to keep up with the reasoning for the hate and discontent towards this swim program. First it was the swimmers are never any good and they don’t develop at all. Now it’s they are so good they should be studs in every stroke and distance. Maybe these guys don’t want to be middle distance freestylers.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm pretty sure both those teenaged boy breaststrokers are leaving. At least according to the teenaged swimmer gossip mill.

(And both were fast at other teams long before the St James)

Both joined the St James team in 2021 with a track record of mostly B times in 100 breaststroke. Now they are AA/AAA with an occasional AAAA time. But sure, keep telling yourself they made no real progress in 3 years. LMAO.

Ah yes boys that can go 21.5 or faster in the 50 free yet can’t even break 1:50 in the 200 free! That’s some incredible development there.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ravensworth Farms, Canterbury Woods, Sleepy Hollow B & R, and Forest Hollow have a bunch of St James kids who are excelling in summer league. As others have said, the program is fine for the OP's objectives.

OKM too

Yep, not limited to mid divisions and Annandale area. Most of the summer teams around West Springfield and Burke have STJ swimmers on their roster. Hunt Valley, NVSL Division 2, has been coached by STJ coaches several years running.

Key word there is coaches not coach and why is that?