Anonymous
Post 07/04/2024 19:01     Subject: Not worth ED for UVA - no real advantage
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I just went on a tour and someone asked about ED and whether there is an admissions advantage and what they said was surprising. There isn't any.

ED in-state acceptance rate was 30% last year. EA in-state was 28% last year. The pool of ED applicants was about 4.5K and only 782 in-state students were accepted ED.

Someone mentioned that the only reason to apply ED vs. EA is trying to get what is essentially a demonstrated interest boost by signing the binding contract. But UVA doesn't consider demonstrated interest, and the differences in admission rates are not significant. It might actually be harder to get into ED vs. EA because a lot of recruited athletes apply ED and it is enough to skew the numbers.

Anyways, the benefits of ED simply aren't there beyond a 1.5 month earlier decision. EA will have similar admission criteria, but allow you to see what other schools you got into and what amounts of aid they are offering.

I just don't see the advantage and a bunch of disadvantages of ED for UVA. Both ED and EA provide admissions advantages over the RD in-state rate of 16%.



This is true of every school. The only reason ED admission rates are higher is because the athletes and priority students apply then.

Take out those applicants and the admission rate for unhooked applicants are pretty much the same.


Admission rate and probability of admission for any one individual are two completely different things. To partially quote Spock in Star Trek VI, logic is the beginning of wisdom.
Anonymous
Post 07/04/2024 17:45     Subject: Not worth ED for UVA - no real advantage
Every kid I know who got in ED this past year had lesser stats than those who got in regular.
Anonymous
Post 07/04/2024 17:23     Subject: Not worth ED for UVA - no real advantage
Anonymous wrote:I just went on a tour and someone asked about ED and whether there is an admissions advantage and what they said was surprising. There isn't any.

ED in-state acceptance rate was 30% last year. EA in-state was 28% last year. The pool of ED applicants was about 4.5K and only 782 in-state students were accepted ED.

Someone mentioned that the only reason to apply ED vs. EA is trying to get what is essentially a demonstrated interest boost by signing the binding contract. But UVA doesn't consider demonstrated interest, and the differences in admission rates are not significant. It might actually be harder to get into ED vs. EA because a lot of recruited athletes apply ED and it is enough to skew the numbers.

Anyways, the benefits of ED simply aren't there beyond a 1.5 month earlier decision. EA will have similar admission criteria, but allow you to see what other schools you got into and what amounts of aid they are offering.

I just don't see the advantage and a bunch of disadvantages of ED for UVA. Both ED and EA provide admissions advantages over the RD in-state rate of 16%.



This is true of every school. The only reason ED admission rates are higher is because the athletes and priority students apply then.

Take out those applicants and the admission rate for unhooked applicants are pretty much the same.
Anonymous
Post 07/04/2024 09:53     Subject: Not worth ED for UVA - no real advantage
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:UVA admissions wont consider midyear grades if you apply EA. And this year the school just moved you directly to the waitlist rather than putting you in the reconsider regular pool.

Finally, UVA admissions clearly had a cookie-cutter "we need to take so many students in each of regular, EA, and ED." But then so many kids apply in the EA pool--without midyear grades--to then be dumped into a waitlist. EA is probably the toughest pool of kids who were then more likely to be forced onto a waitlist.

UVA has by far the worst system for admitting students.


FYI, if you apply ED, it is the same thing. Seems like you are arguing for benefits of EA vs. RD, compared to ED vs. EA. The stats clearly show RD is the toughest pool, and ED and EA are the very comparable.

RD certainly has the lowest admit rate, but that could also reflect that a lot of the RD kids had bumpier transcripts and were holding out to apply after their fall grades came in. A strong kid in RD likely has the same chance as a strong kid in EA.
Anonymous
Post 07/04/2024 09:51     Subject: Not worth ED for UVA - no real advantage
Anonymous wrote:I just went on a tour and someone asked about ED and whether there is an admissions advantage and what they said was surprising. There isn't any.

ED in-state acceptance rate was 30% last year. EA in-state was 28% last year. The pool of ED applicants was about 4.5K and only 782 in-state students were accepted ED.

Someone mentioned that the only reason to apply ED vs. EA is trying to get what is essentially a demonstrated interest boost by signing the binding contract. But UVA doesn't consider demonstrated interest, and the differences in admission rates are not significant. It might actually be harder to get into ED vs. EA because a lot of recruited athletes apply ED and it is enough to skew the numbers.

Anyways, the benefits of ED simply aren't there beyond a 1.5 month earlier decision. EA will have similar admission criteria, but allow you to see what other schools you got into and what amounts of aid they are offering.

I just don't see the advantage and a bunch of disadvantages of ED for UVA. Both ED and EA provide admissions advantages over the RD in-state rate of 16%.



ED is less of a boost than it was a few yrs ago. Naviance used to show a huge difference in stats. They worked to shift that this last cycle, however the borderline stats kids from the local privates got in ED but did not EA. The pools of applicants are different. It is rare anyone from the top dozen kids do ED —they usually aim for ivy/T10 and use Uva EA as a backup (and get in). So the ED pool does not have the majority of the top kids. DeanJ has said this before: EA is the most competitive pool. Therefore the rate itself is not comparing apples to apples. However—the gpa/rigor that got students IN ED in 22 and 23 got waitlisted this past cycle. Those stats were never good enough for EA so the gap has narrowed and the boost in ED is far less.
Anonymous
Post 07/04/2024 08:06     Subject: Not worth ED for UVA - no real advantage
ED does provide an advantage over EA.

It's designed thst way.
Anonymous
Post 07/04/2024 08:05     Subject: Not worth ED for UVA - no real advantage
Seems like you are really pushing that people don’t apply ED. Mmmmm. Stay in your lane.
Anonymous
Post 07/04/2024 06:45     Subject: Not worth ED for UVA - no real advantage
Finding out you’re in early is the advantage. Finding out you’re not in early can light a fire under a kid who is procrastinating on other applications.

I think UVA admissions discourages ED and EA equally. They say the early applicants are stronger and not to apply if midyear grades will show improvement.
Anonymous
Post 07/04/2024 02:44     Subject: Not worth ED for UVA - no real advantage
UVA does weird things with Asian/White high stats kids-my DC wanted to apply from private with a 3.8 UW GPA and max rigor but didn’t think ED was a good idea for reasons mentioned and school was not encouraging. Wound up at T10 ED1 so we won’t know if EA app would have been successful. I do think interest plays a role as some kids from their school with lower stats got in late/off WL-was that counselor advocacy in play?
Anonymous
Post 07/04/2024 00:37     Subject: Not worth ED for UVA - no real advantage
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Have you seen a breakdown of stats for ED vs EA or just admission rates?


Exactly, you are assuming all applicants are on equal footing. I wish more people took logic classes…


Yes. OP is not addressing stats in any way.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2024 23:30     Subject: Not worth ED for UVA - no real advantage
Anonymous wrote:Have you seen a breakdown of stats for ED vs EA or just admission rates?


I’m the PP. I understand all that you’ve said, OP. There are breakdowns by college for UVA enrolled students (standardized tests etc). But I’ve yet to see one that breaks down ED vs EA.
My instinct is that there is a small advantage. But you can’t discount the impact of test-optional this year, either.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2024 22:08     Subject: Not worth ED for UVA - no real advantage
Anonymous wrote:Have you seen a breakdown of stats for ED vs EA or just admission rates?


Exactly, you are assuming all applicants are on equal footing. I wish more people took logic classes…
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2024 21:57     Subject: Not worth ED for UVA - no real advantage
Have you seen a breakdown of stats for ED vs EA or just admission rates?
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2024 20:10     Subject: Not worth ED for UVA - no real advantage
Seems there is no point in applying to UVA ED?
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2024 18:26     Subject: Not worth ED for UVA - no real advantage
Anonymous wrote:UVA admissions wont consider midyear grades if you apply EA. And this year the school just moved you directly to the waitlist rather than putting you in the reconsider regular pool.

Finally, UVA admissions clearly had a cookie-cutter "we need to take so many students in each of regular, EA, and ED." But then so many kids apply in the EA pool--without midyear grades--to then be dumped into a waitlist. EA is probably the toughest pool of kids who were then more likely to be forced onto a waitlist.

UVA has by far the worst system for admitting students.


FYI, if you apply ED, it is the same thing. Seems like you are arguing for benefits of EA vs. RD, compared to ED vs. EA. The stats clearly how RD is the toughest pool, and ED and EA are the very comparable.