These stupid volunteering should be excluded, it should be based on test scores, grades and things related to the target major e.g. building a business or selling computer programs at the level on a college graduate. Volunteering is stupid and unrelated.

Anonymous wrote:I think Stanford must have some kind of trained anti-fraud investigators on their admissions team. 20 years ago when I applied to Stanford Law I got a call from the head of admissions asking about why I had listed myself as “valedictorian” of my college class when my college didn’t do rankings. I was so panicked. My college had selected me as the graduation speaker from the top 5 GPAs (so I was told) and in my mind, giving the college commencement speech was being “valedictorian,” but I guess that was a misrepresentation. I had them talk to the dean of students at my college to verify that I was the commencement speaker. But that was a very sobering experience and since then I have been excruciatingly honest on all applications.

You guess?

There was a poster on here a few years ago who had a kid who was rejected almost everywhere, despite having perfect stats and an absurdly impressive resume. I remember this kid claimed to have volunteer hours that worked out to something like 10 hours per week, every single week of high school (on top of a gazillion extracurriculars, etc). Clearly the universities didn't buy this.

Remember, applications are read by humans who have the same hours in the week as the kids do and they were kids once too. Don't embellish.

I've only heard about really high hours when an upper middle class kid worked in a family business. For instance, the kid was working in assisted living during the pandemic serving meals and being a companion to the elderly.

I'm glad they busted her on hours. If that's ok then all embellishment is ok.

Anonymous wrote:Seeing that 50% or more lie about their race thus seems small potatoes. She did work there.

Horseshit.

This much is true, though: You are a lying liar who lies.

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Anonymous wrote:I will admit that my kid struggled how to write in hours for activities because the way they ask never allowed for odd situations.

Example, my kid was on a hackathon team that would practice once per week for 90 minutes and then enter 3-5 competitions that were 48 hours straight on a weekend.

I can’t remember how it was handled, but the application doesn’t make it easy and you don’t want to waste characters in explaining your hours.

Agree. Is this even real?

What are the chances that the person at the former workplace was lying on the phone? Lots of people would be jealous of a student getting into Stanford…

Uh. I suppose a deranged person might be, but it wouldn't be right to assume this would be a common reaction.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this is fabricated by the guy (Tineo college prep consulting) to get TikTok clicks….

Exactly. That was my first thought. A random website gets this story from a tick Tok influencer who allegedly was told this story by the student. Not buying it for a second.

It doesn’t even sound plausible. How is a high schooler going to put in 12 hours a week at any daycare. They are open M-F and close between around 5 or 5:30. That would be over 2 hours a day. Unless the student’s high school ends early and the student never ever had to stay after school logistically it doesn’t even make sense. And there are very very few special needs daycare. After 3 years old students who have disabilities are provided services through public schools.

So, I agree it's probably for clicks.

But as a public school teacher, I knew plenty of teenagers covering the 4 - 6 shift at local daycares as their part time job.

I could name a number of daycares for kids with disabilities in the DC area. These days most of them are inclusive, but places like Karasik (run by the ARC), or Easter Seals whose primary mission is serving children with disabilities. Even those kids who get services from the public school usually need daycare as well, as those hours are usually shorter than a work day.

Anonymous wrote:I think this is fabricated by the guy (Tineo college prep consulting) to get TikTok clicks….

Exactly. That was my first thought. A random website gets this story from a tick Tok influencer who allegedly was told this story by the student. Not buying it for a second.

It doesn’t even sound plausible. How is a high schooler going to put in 12 hours a week at any daycare. They are open M-F and close between around 5 or 5:30. That would be over 2 hours a day. Unless the student’s high school ends early and the student never ever had to stay after school logistically it doesn’t even make sense. And there are very very few special needs daycare. After 3 years old students who have disabilities are provided services through public schools.

Seeing that 50% or more lie about their race thus seems small potatoes. She did work there.

I think Stanford must have some kind of trained anti-fraud investigators on their admissions team. 20 years ago when I applied to Stanford Law I got a call from the head of admissions asking about why I had listed myself as “valedictorian” of my college class when my college didn’t do rankings. I was so panicked. My college had selected me as the graduation speaker from the top 5 GPAs (so I was told) and in my mind, giving the college commencement speech was being “valedictorian,” but I guess that was a misrepresentation. I had them talk to the dean of students at my college to verify that I was the commencement speaker. But that was a very sobering experience and since then I have been excruciatingly honest on all applications.

This makes me feel sad. I admire anyone who works with disabled individuals whether as a volunteer or as an employee. There was no need to embellish.

She put on her application that she had part time job all school year for 12 hours a week. That’s a major commitment and leaves the door open to an economic need that requires her to hold down a job.

Instead she was a summer volunteer.

This isn’t an embellishment

I think this is fabricated by the guy (Tineo college prep consulting) to get TikTok clicks….

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will admit that my kid struggled how to write in hours for activities because the way they ask never allowed for odd situations.

Example, my kid was on a hackathon team that would practice once per week for 90 minutes and then enter 3-5 competitions that were 48 hours straight on a weekend.

I can’t remember how it was handled, but the application doesn’t make it easy and you don’t want to waste characters in explaining your hours.

Agree. Is this even real?

What are the chances that the person at the former workplace was lying on the phone? Lots of people would be jealous of a student getting into Stanford…

And here come the apologists.

The student doesn’t protest and say she actually did those hours.

Just don’t lie.

Not an apologist, but I did take a logic class in college way back in the day.

This isn’t hard.

Did you pay attention in the class and learn the material?

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Anonymous wrote:Good for Stanford.

Stanford/administrator/faculty get caught "cheating" many times. Do they get rescinded? probably not.

Some of those people got fired. All of them should be. This is the problem with hyper competitive environments- it encourages people to lie and cheat. It all needs to stop.