Watch Little Women and Florence Pugh speech.


Also even until recently, an actress career was practically over by age 30. Some what true today unless the actress produces the movie herself and/or goes to streaming platforms.

Anonymous wrote:There was no such thing as college for women. Once you were a teenager, you had to figure out who your future lifeline was going to be . A woman’s job was to marry and have a bunch of kids and the man’s job was to take care of that woman and kids for the rest of his life.

That was life for almost all of humanity until perhaps the 70s Id say . College for women wasnt a thing till fairly recently. It’s incredible how much life can change with just one cultural reset because now women outnumber men with degrees

And this is likely because birth control pills became available in the 60's.

My hair started graying in my early 30's. They didn't have the hair dye we have today.

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Anonymous wrote:In Jane Austen's novels there is a sense of urgency regarding making a romantic match for most of her heroines. Even among the wealthy circles she wrote about, the women were considered "expired" very early in life. Anne Elliot, for example, is only 35/26 and is declared a spinster and without hope of marriage prospects.

25!!

Even during the regency period I can't imagine a 25 year old displaying very many unsightly signs of aging.

What are your thoughts?

so weird that someone would crowdsource this instead of picking up a book on history and reading it.

Why so mean, PP? This is a discussion forum, and OP asked a more interesting question than most.

+1 totally agree

Anonymous wrote:If you're available to marry at, say, 17, and nobody marries you by 25, they figured there must be something wrong with you. Kind of like a house sitting on the market.

This. You had your best shot in the 1st season, each year after that you are competing with fresh, new faces and the growing suspicion that something is wrong with you.

There was no such thing as college for women. Once you were a teenager, you had to figure out who your future lifeline was going to be . A woman’s job was to marry and have a bunch of kids and the man’s job was to take care of that woman and kids for the rest of his life.

That was life for almost all of humanity until perhaps the 70s Id say . College for women wasnt a thing till fairly recently. It’s incredible how much life can change with just one cultural reset because now women outnumber men with degrees

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Anonymous wrote:Because people died in their 40s. Short life expectancies. They didn't just look old, they were considered old and knocking on death's door in their mid 30s.

This has been debunked. The life expectancy overall was so short because of the high infant mortality rate. If a person survived childhood, they had a good chance of living into their 60's. Though women, of course, had to contend with pregnancy as well.

No, you're wrong.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/mortalityinenglandandwales/2012-12-17#:~:text=In%201841%20life%20expectancy%20at,males%20and%2048%20for%20females.

You need to read -

"During the 19th century, life expectancy at birth and median age at death were much lower than modal age at death for two reasons. Firstly life expectancy and the median age at death are highly sensitive to changes in mortality among infants and children1 and during this period deaths at these ages were common. Secondly, deaths to babies and children aged under 10 have been excluded in the calculation of modal age at death. Starting at age 10 avoids the selection of a very young age as the mode2, for example in some years during the period 1841 to the early 20th century when infant mortality was very high, it is possible that age 0 would have been selected. Therefore, between 1841 and 1900 the modal age at death was much higher than the other two averages; modal age at death in 1841 was 71 for males and 77 for females and in 1900 it was 68 years and 73 years respectively. Although modal age at death was younger in 1900 than in 1841 this does not indicate a downward trend as the modal age at death was relatively constant during this time and varied year on year between ages 68 to 75 for males and ages 69 to 77 for females. It is likely that the up and down pattern of modal age during this time was mostly because of the relatively low numbers reaching older ages."

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Anonymous wrote:Fertility window was important for aristocracy looking for heirs.

+1

Pregnancy is also safer the younger you are, including late teens.

And its easier to get pregnant. There was no fertility treatment back up then.

If a couple was having fertility problems, divorce was difficult and aristocrats could be left with a male heir. Illegitimate kids didn't count for inheritance.

The sense of urgency was financial. A woman from a wealthy family had no way to provide for herself besides relying on her father or a husband. She was expected to move on from her father and find a husband to support her.

Women of that era may have had a "short shelf life" as you put it to men, or at least to men who wanted to have children right then. Childbirth was even more dangerous then than now, and it made sense to start young and survive it as long as you could.

Fortunately, women now have a lot of options other than a man as their sole provider. They don't have a "short shelf life" to themselves, you see. They can get full formal educations, or trade jobs, or just about anything they desire, if they have the ability and drive.

"Shelf life" only can be interpreted in terms of whose input matters and what their end goal was. When you include the women themselves -- as makes sense currently -- you can see why things changed. And for the better! It's a good time to be a woman.

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Anonymous wrote:Fertility window was important for aristocracy looking for heirs.

+1

Pregnancy is also safer the younger you are, including late teens.

+1 And less likely to have children with special needs.

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Anonymous wrote:In Jane Austen's novels there is a sense of urgency regarding making a romantic match for most of her heroines. Even among the wealthy circles she wrote about, the women were considered "expired" very early in life. Anne Elliot, for example, is only 35/26 and is declared a spinster and without hope of marriage prospects.

25!!

Even during the regency period I can't imagine a 25 year old displaying very many unsightly signs of aging.

What are your thoughts?

so weird that someone would crowdsource this instead of picking up a book on history and reading it.

Why so mean, PP? This is a discussion forum, and OP asked a more interesting question than most.

Agree it had to do with fertility but also lets not overlook an obvious and related explanation: misogyny!

Women were considered the property of fathers and husbands and making the "hand off" at 17 or 18 instead of 25 meant that a woman could stop being a depreciating asset for her father and start creating assets for her husband. Every year past her debut that a woman remained in her father's house was another year where she had to be fed and housed and clothed (and in a style likely to help her catch a husband - so not cheap) by her father. Her husband would have to pay for that stuff too but she will hopefully bear him a son who would ensure the family's title and fortune remained with them.

If you remember that women were not really people but line items in this era it really helps to understand the sometimes baffling traditions of the day.

Anonymous wrote:In Jane Austen's novels there is a sense of urgency regarding making a romantic match for most of her heroines. Even among the wealthy circles she wrote about, the women were considered "expired" very early in life. Anne Elliot, for example, is only 35/26 and is declared a spinster and without hope of marriage prospects.

25!!

Even during the regency period I can't imagine a 25 year old displaying very many unsightly signs of aging.

What are your thoughts?

so weird that someone would crowdsource this instead of picking up a book on history and reading it.

Upper class women "came out" for a season much like debutantes do. The importance of the season was to find a husband. Many families could not afford more than one season. Not finding a husband during your first season was humiliating.