Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If half of abortions occurring in the second trimester, after 20 weeks, are the result of not having the funds to get an abortion, then you definitely aren’t paying for a 20,000 plus procedure in the third trimester.

This is the real issue. People are getting abortions late for reasons OTHER than birth defects or health of mother.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Copied from another thread:

Here’s a study from Guttmacher showing the reasons women seek abortions after 20 weeks and it was about logistical delays not deformities.

https://onlinelibrary.wil...63/4521013

Here’s KFF

“Individuals seek abortions later in pregnancy for a number of reasons. As part of the Turnaway study out of the University of California San Francisco, from 2008-2010 over 440 women were asked about why they experienced delays in obtaining abortion care, if any (Figure 4). Almost half of individuals who obtained an abortion after 20 weeks did not suspect they were pregnant until later in pregnancy, and other barriers to care included lack of information about where to access an abortion, transportation difficulties, lack of insurance coverage and inability to pay for the procedure. A 2022 study of patients seeking abortions later in pregnancy found that they fell into two categories: either they had learned new information about their pregnancies that made them no longer desirable, such as not finding out they were pregnant until very late in the pregnancy or the emergence of serious fetal or their own health issue; or experiencing barriers to abortion services earlier in the pregnancy that force them to delay the abortion until the third trimester.“

Thank you; I appreciate that. At least it helps illuminate the issue better, and provide some reasons behind the phenomenon, to better understand it.

And please understand that “late term abortion” is a phrase used by anti-abortionists and that abortions in the third trimester which starts after week 27 when fetuses are at the point of viability are exceptionally rare and you would find almost no provider who would perform them that late and for no serious reason.

My apologies; I am pro choice so I will use “third trimester” instead. Thx.

I am genuinely interested in what the numbers are for 3rd trimester - looks like a very small percentage (smaller than I thought) but a percentage is not a number.

Also curious how many are medically necessary and how many are purely elective. Can we help define the issue with facts here?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, when Trump claims that Democrats support abortion "up to and even beyond the ninth month" and suggests that this includes the "execution" of babies after birth, is he lying?

I mean, the man's mouth is moving...you know the answer to this question

I know the answer, but do his followers? Presumably some of them believe the Democrats are OK with executing full grown babies.

Anonymous wrote:If half of abortions occurring in the second trimester, after 20 weeks, are the result of not having the funds to get an abortion, then you definitely aren’t paying for a 20,000 plus procedure in the third trimester.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, when Trump claims that Democrats support abortion "up to and even beyond the ninth month" and suggests that this includes the "execution" of babies after birth, is he lying?

I mean, the man's mouth is moving...you know the answer to this question

I know the answer, but do his followers? Presumably some of them believe the Democrats are OK with executing full grown babies.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, when Trump claims that Democrats support abortion "up to and even beyond the ninth month" and suggests that this includes the "execution" of babies after birth, is he lying?

I mean, the man's mouth is moving...you know the answer to this question

Anonymous wrote:So, when Trump claims that Democrats support abortion "up to and even beyond the ninth month" and suggests that this includes the "execution" of babies after birth, is he lying?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Copied from another thread:

Here’s a study from Guttmacher showing the reasons women seek abortions after 20 weeks and it was about logistical delays not deformities.

https://onlinelibrary.wil...63/4521013

Here’s KFF

“Individuals seek abortions later in pregnancy for a number of reasons. As part of the Turnaway study out of the University of California San Francisco, from 2008-2010 over 440 women were asked about why they experienced delays in obtaining abortion care, if any (Figure 4). Almost half of individuals who obtained an abortion after 20 weeks did not suspect they were pregnant until later in pregnancy, and other barriers to care included lack of information about where to access an abortion, transportation difficulties, lack of insurance coverage and inability to pay for the procedure. A 2022 study of patients seeking abortions later in pregnancy found that they fell into two categories: either they had learned new information about their pregnancies that made them no longer desirable, such as not finding out they were pregnant until very late in the pregnancy or the emergence of serious fetal or their own health issue; or experiencing barriers to abortion services earlier in the pregnancy that force them to delay the abortion until the third trimester.“

Thank you; I appreciate that. At least it helps illuminate the issue better, and provide some reasons behind the phenomenon, to better understand it.

And please understand that “late term abortion” is a phrase used by anti-abortionists and that abortions in the third trimester which starts after week 27 when fetuses are at the point of viability are exceptionally rare and you would find almost no provider who would perform them that late and for no serious reason.

My apologies; I am pro choice so I will use “third trimester” instead. Thx.

I am genuinely interested in what the numbers are for 3rd trimester - looks like a very small percentage (smaller than I thought) but a percentage is not a number.

Also curious how many are medically necessary and how many are purely elective. Can we help define the issue with facts here?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Copied from another thread:

Here’s a study from Guttmacher showing the reasons women seek abortions after 20 weeks and it was about logistical delays not deformities.

https://onlinelibrary.wil...63/4521013

Here’s KFF

“Individuals seek abortions later in pregnancy for a number of reasons. As part of the Turnaway study out of the University of California San Francisco, from 2008-2010 over 440 women were asked about why they experienced delays in obtaining abortion care, if any (Figure 4). Almost half of individuals who obtained an abortion after 20 weeks did not suspect they were pregnant until later in pregnancy, and other barriers to care included lack of information about where to access an abortion, transportation difficulties, lack of insurance coverage and inability to pay for the procedure. A 2022 study of patients seeking abortions later in pregnancy found that they fell into two categories: either they had learned new information about their pregnancies that made them no longer desirable, such as not finding out they were pregnant until very late in the pregnancy or the emergence of serious fetal or their own health issue; or experiencing barriers to abortion services earlier in the pregnancy that force them to delay the abortion until the third trimester.“

Thank you; I appreciate that. At least it helps illuminate the issue better, and provide some reasons behind the phenomenon, to better understand it.

And please understand that “late term abortion” is a phrase used by anti-abortionists and that abortions in the third trimester which starts after week 27 when fetuses are at the point of viability are exceptionally rare and you would find almost no provider who would perform them that late and for no serious reason.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Might help if you understood the lingo better. It’s trimester. Not term.

Viability begins around week 23/24. That is still the second trimester. That is the point until Roe protected the right to abortion. You are asking about third trimester abortions because of anti-abortion misinformation counting on people like you who don’t understand pregnancy. (Or you are a troll. Which is probably more like it.)

Assuming the former, try to find an abortion care provider who performs abortion willy nilly weeks after the point of viability, say weeks 27/28 which is when the third trimester that you are interested in begins. Come back when you’ve located one.

This. There are very, very few providers that will do third trimester abortions at all and the cost is something like $25k-$35k.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think people get the results from a 20 week anatomy scan immediately. As I recall it took a week to get results, and then if you get bad news, you set up appointments with your doctors to understand the results, you might agonize over the decision of whether to terminate or not... that can easily take a week or so.

I have a ton of sympathy for people who get fetal abnormality results at the 20 week anatomy scan. Those women should do whatever they feel is best.

I feel the same way; I am the OP.

Since becoming a parent , these heartbreaking situations just seem to affect me so much more; those poor parents! It must be a terrible thing to go through; I can’t even imagine.