Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 22:48     Subject: Re:flexible summer schedules
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is this the kind of job you have to cancel vacation for, like a law firm? If not, then tell them you have prescheduled commitments and you cannot make that time. No ifs, ands or buts. If it was important enough that you be there, they should have asked you. If you’d been on vacation they’d have rescheduled or found a sub, right? So tell them that.

If it’s a job where you must cancel vacation to accommodate them, then that sucks and I’m sorry. Been there. Left for a more family friendly place. In the meantime call the camp and ask if they have a carpool list. Maybe you can make an arrangement with another parent or outright pay them.


The company is totally cool with vacation and stepping out and whatever. This particular individual, who again, I do not report to, is not. Kind of tempted to just call in sick tomorrow.


OP, you are causing the problem here by not declining the meeting. It's not great that you left it until the night before, but tell your boss you can't make it to the meeting. Say you will be happy to reschedule later in the same day, or they can find someone else to present the material which you are happy to provide.

I bet the other person has some summer commitment they don't want impinged by a normal meeting time. Too bad for them.


The invitation was only sent at 1 pm today. I DID decline the meeting and propose a new time this afternoon.


So then you're fine.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 22:46     Subject: Re:flexible summer schedules
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is this the kind of job you have to cancel vacation for, like a law firm? If not, then tell them you have prescheduled commitments and you cannot make that time. No ifs, ands or buts. If it was important enough that you be there, they should have asked you. If you’d been on vacation they’d have rescheduled or found a sub, right? So tell them that.

If it’s a job where you must cancel vacation to accommodate them, then that sucks and I’m sorry. Been there. Left for a more family friendly place. In the meantime call the camp and ask if they have a carpool list. Maybe you can make an arrangement with another parent or outright pay them.


The company is totally cool with vacation and stepping out and whatever. This particular individual, who again, I do not report to, is not. Kind of tempted to just call in sick tomorrow.


OP, you are causing the problem here by not declining the meeting. It's not great that you left it until the night before, but tell your boss you can't make it to the meeting. Say you will be happy to reschedule later in the same day, or they can find someone else to present the material which you are happy to provide.

I bet the other person has some summer commitment they don't want impinged by a normal meeting time. Too bad for them.


The invitation was only sent at 1 pm today. I DID decline the meeting and propose a new time this afternoon.


Then you've done what you need to do. Carry on. Just let them know that you're not available at that time.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 22:43     Subject: flexible summer schedules
Anonymous wrote:I would push back citing the policy of the other senior member. Say “I have a family conflict that will pull me away from 8-8:40 every morning.” Or something.

How lame and performative of them btw. Yuck.


Yep this. This is perfectly acceptable.

But I would not suggest an evening meeting like you (op) suggested.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 22:23     Subject: Re:flexible summer schedules
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is this the kind of job you have to cancel vacation for, like a law firm? If not, then tell them you have prescheduled commitments and you cannot make that time. No ifs, ands or buts. If it was important enough that you be there, they should have asked you. If you’d been on vacation they’d have rescheduled or found a sub, right? So tell them that.

If it’s a job where you must cancel vacation to accommodate them, then that sucks and I’m sorry. Been there. Left for a more family friendly place. In the meantime call the camp and ask if they have a carpool list. Maybe you can make an arrangement with another parent or outright pay them.


The company is totally cool with vacation and stepping out and whatever. This particular individual, who again, I do not report to, is not. Kind of tempted to just call in sick tomorrow.


OP, you are causing the problem here by not declining the meeting. It's not great that you left it until the night before, but tell your boss you can't make it to the meeting. Say you will be happy to reschedule later in the same day, or they can find someone else to present the material which you are happy to provide.

I bet the other person has some summer commitment they don't want impinged by a normal meeting time. Too bad for them.


The invitation was only sent at 1 pm today. I DID decline the meeting and propose a new time this afternoon.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 22:23     Subject: flexible summer schedules
I'm confused why you haven't brought this up with the SVP yet.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 22:22     Subject: Re:flexible summer schedules
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is this the kind of job you have to cancel vacation for, like a law firm? If not, then tell them you have prescheduled commitments and you cannot make that time. No ifs, ands or buts. If it was important enough that you be there, they should have asked you. If you’d been on vacation they’d have rescheduled or found a sub, right? So tell them that.

If it’s a job where you must cancel vacation to accommodate them, then that sucks and I’m sorry. Been there. Left for a more family friendly place. In the meantime call the camp and ask if they have a carpool list. Maybe you can make an arrangement with another parent or outright pay them.


The company is totally cool with vacation and stepping out and whatever. This particular individual, who again, I do not report to, is not. Kind of tempted to just call in sick tomorrow.


OP, you are causing the problem here by not declining the meeting. It's not great that you left it until the night before, but tell your boss you can't make it to the meeting. Say you will be happy to reschedule later in the same day, or they can find someone else to present the material which you are happy to provide.

I bet the other person has some summer commitment they don't want impinged by a normal meeting time. Too bad for them.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 22:18     Subject: Re:flexible summer schedules
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is this the kind of job you have to cancel vacation for, like a law firm? If not, then tell them you have prescheduled commitments and you cannot make that time. No ifs, ands or buts. If it was important enough that you be there, they should have asked you. If you’d been on vacation they’d have rescheduled or found a sub, right? So tell them that.

If it’s a job where you must cancel vacation to accommodate them, then that sucks and I’m sorry. Been there. Left for a more family friendly place. In the meantime call the camp and ask if they have a carpool list. Maybe you can make an arrangement with another parent or outright pay them.


The company is totally cool with vacation and stepping out and whatever. This particular individual, who again, I do not report to, is not. Kind of tempted to just call in sick tomorrow.


Calling in sick won't address a recurring meeting. You need to tell the a-hole that you have a standing personal appointment. It could be therapy, it could be the gym, it could be a class you're taking, it could be drop off. You're not the one asking for flexibility here. He is the one going outside of normal business hours.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 22:15     Subject: Re:flexible summer schedules
Anonymous wrote:Is this the kind of job you have to cancel vacation for, like a law firm? If not, then tell them you have prescheduled commitments and you cannot make that time. No ifs, ands or buts. If it was important enough that you be there, they should have asked you. If you’d been on vacation they’d have rescheduled or found a sub, right? So tell them that.

If it’s a job where you must cancel vacation to accommodate them, then that sucks and I’m sorry. Been there. Left for a more family friendly place. In the meantime call the camp and ask if they have a carpool list. Maybe you can make an arrangement with another parent or outright pay them.


Since OP said her salary is 70k, she should treat it as the bold type.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 22:14     Subject: flexible summer schedules
Anonymous wrote:You can’t afford to cancel the camp but travelled somewhere and are staying in a hotel for a week?


That's OP's family choice and her employer shouldn't have ish to say about it. 8:20 is before normal business hours and appropriate time to be doing family tasks.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 22:12     Subject: Re:flexible summer schedules
Anonymous wrote:Is this the kind of job you have to cancel vacation for, like a law firm? If not, then tell them you have prescheduled commitments and you cannot make that time. No ifs, ands or buts. If it was important enough that you be there, they should have asked you. If you’d been on vacation they’d have rescheduled or found a sub, right? So tell them that.

If it’s a job where you must cancel vacation to accommodate them, then that sucks and I’m sorry. Been there. Left for a more family friendly place. In the meantime call the camp and ask if they have a carpool list. Maybe you can make an arrangement with another parent or outright pay them.


The company is totally cool with vacation and stepping out and whatever. This particular individual, who again, I do not report to, is not. Kind of tempted to just call in sick tomorrow.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 22:10     Subject: Re:flexible summer schedules
Is this the kind of job you have to cancel vacation for, like a law firm? If not, then tell them you have prescheduled commitments and you cannot make that time. No ifs, ands or buts. If it was important enough that you be there, they should have asked you. If you’d been on vacation they’d have rescheduled or found a sub, right? So tell them that.

If it’s a job where you must cancel vacation to accommodate them, then that sucks and I’m sorry. Been there. Left for a more family friendly place. In the meantime call the camp and ask if they have a carpool list. Maybe you can make an arrangement with another parent or outright pay them.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 22:01     Subject: flexible summer schedules
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You and your child are in a hotel so your child can attend a camp?


And the problem is? They've wanted to attend a camp that isn't offered in our town.


I would say the problem is you’re expected to do your job during camp drop-off.


Not according to our SVP. Why couldn't this manager do his job today? He had empty blocks for it. I, on the other hand, was blocked out for a while 20 minutes tomorrow morning.


Also, DH was supposed to do this. He left town on no notice, so it fell to me. We were past the cancellation date when we found out, and while we can afford the camp, we can't afford to throw away close to $1000.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 22:00     Subject: flexible summer schedules
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You and your child are in a hotel so your child can attend a camp?


And the problem is? They've wanted to attend a camp that isn't offered in our town.


I would say the problem is you’re expected to do your job during camp drop-off.


Not according to our SVP. Why couldn't this manager do his job today? He had empty blocks for it. I, on the other hand, was blocked out for a while 20 minutes tomorrow morning.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 21:55     Subject: flexible summer schedules
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You and your child are in a hotel so your child can attend a camp?


And the problem is? They've wanted to attend a camp that isn't offered in our town.


I would say the problem is you’re expected to do your job during camp drop-off.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2024 21:48     Subject: flexible summer schedules
A recurring 8am meeting works for nobody. Does your company have ‘core business hours’? If so, you can also site those as reason for not being available. If there is no other option, do as PP said and take the meeting in the car.