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Anonymous wrote:Maybe sit a few rows away from them so you can see them but they can't see you. My kids will complain at me nonstop if I'm near them but will behave like perfect angels if I'm not right there as their punching bag ready to hear every complaint big or small they may have.

no, they are 10/12 don't do this to someone else on their row. What if one of them is sick. Jesus. You shouldn't expect a rando to sit for you

WTF? 10/12 don't need sitters!

Not PP, but one of my kids learned early on to puke very neatly in his sick bag. No mess, but smell does spread and surely you'd prefer not to sit beside him
At his age I was splashily sick on planes. My poor mother would help me clean her clothes, my clothes, and the seats and backs of seats. And then she'd have to greet her very MIL after a very long-haul flight full of vomit

This. A young boy (10-12?) flying alone to Germany on our flight got sick and got it on his clothes. The flight attendant came and asked us if our boys had any spare t shirts with them. We gave them one for him--I felt so bad for him, he looked so miserable. The flight attendants (and probably whoever was next to him) were so thankful.

We took our kids to Japan, flying economy, this spring. Oldest DS is 10. We just told them to nap if they got tired and limited the sugar. That's it. The little one slept more than the 10 year old. Older kid watched and played iPad games for most of the flight. Kids were fine and sleeping at local time within 48 hours in both directions (both were overnight flights). Jet lag was MUCH harder on the adults.

We did sit with them. We had melatonin, but didn't use it. We didn't sit the kids next to each other, which made for a more relaxed flight. The kids may have entertained each other a bit, but they also would've quarreled when they got tired.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve done England on the red eye a few times. It’s a 7-8 hour flight. I give DD ( now 11) melatonin right as we get on the plane and she konks out.
You’re going the other way but I don’t completely switch to local time. I let her stay up later in England and sleep later so it’s not so dramatic when we return.
On the way back when it’s a daytime flight… screens and snacks.

How much do you give?

Get the kids gummies and give 1.

OMG, that is sick.

You realize this conversation is about melatonin, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe sit a few rows away from them so you can see them but they can't see you. My kids will complain at me nonstop if I'm near them but will behave like perfect angels if I'm not right there as their punching bag ready to hear every complaint big or small they may have.

That is really sad to me. Do you know kids sometimes get moles red on planes sitting next to strangers? I work in the industry. Not common, but it happens.

More likely of course is that they will just need something. They are small children and should not have to navigate such a long flight alone, because they annoy you. No wonder kids nowadays have high rates of depression and anxiety .

It is a family vacation, for the good parts and the bad parts. Selfish people make bad parents.

I'm not worried about that at all given my kids ages. My kids did perfectly well with us sitting a few rows behind. I feel more sorry for the kid who would freak out and be overcome with anxiety that they can't be separated for a flight. Your kids are depressed and anxious due to your overbearing helicopter nature.

And we all know your "work in the industry" means you're not remotely close to being in the front line as a pilot or flight attendant. You work in some back office anywhere counting widgets.

Anonymous wrote:Maybe sit a few rows away from them so you can see them but they can't see you. My kids will complain at me nonstop if I'm near them but will behave like perfect angels if I'm not right there as their punching bag ready to hear every complaint big or small they may have.

That is really sad to me. Do you know kids sometimes get moles red on planes sitting next to strangers? I work in the industry. Not common, but it happens.

More likely of course is that they will just need something. They are small children and should not have to navigate such a long flight alone, because they annoy you. No wonder kids nowadays have high rates of depression and anxiety .

It is a family vacation, for the good parts and the bad parts. Selfish people make bad parents.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve done England on the red eye a few times. It’s a 7-8 hour flight. I give DD ( now 11) melatonin right as we get on the plane and she konks out.
You’re going the other way but I don’t completely switch to local time. I let her stay up later in England and sleep later so it’s not so dramatic when we return.
On the way back when it’s a daytime flight… screens and snacks.

How much do you give?

Get the kids gummies and give 1.

OMG, that is sick.

Anonymous wrote:Melatonin gummies and devices

You sound….

No. Don’t drug your kids (chemically or electronically).

Bring games they can play together, like card games. Or with a notepad (tic tac tie, hangman). There are also madlibs or puzzle books (like what is wrong with this picture). There are also games and movies on the plane screen. Bring books if they like reading. Do they do any manageable crafts, like making friendship bracelets?

You’ll have the memories and photos of your family in HI and quickly forget the flights like a toothache. My advice is go go go go and don’t worry about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe sit a few rows away from them so you can see them but they can't see you. My kids will complain at me nonstop if I'm near them but will behave like perfect angels if I'm not right there as their punching bag ready to hear every complaint big or small they may have.

no, they are 10/12 don't do this to someone else on their row. What if one of them is sick. Jesus. You shouldn't expect a rando to sit for you

They’re tweens not toddlers. No one needs babysitting.

then sit with them buddy!!!!

The point is kids can do better without their parents right there all the time. I got separated from mine on our last flight because our original flight was cancelled so we hastily rebooked and were scattered around the plane. Best flight ever. Sitting with them was not an option because my DH and I were in an exit row and kids can't sit there. I visited them a few times and they were great, no complaint no fighting. Sometimes you have to let kids rise to the occasion. They are 8, 10, and 14.

We never sit together as a family. We all have our preferences of window/aisle and rarely sit next to each other. Youngest kid is 14 but we’ve been doing this for years.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe sit a few rows away from them so you can see them but they can't see you. My kids will complain at me nonstop if I'm near them but will behave like perfect angels if I'm not right there as their punching bag ready to hear every complaint big or small they may have.

no, they are 10/12 don't do this to someone else on their row. What if one of them is sick. Jesus. You shouldn't expect a rando to sit for you

WTF? 10/12 don't need sitters!

Not PP, but one of my kids learned early on to puke very neatly in his sick bag. No mess, but smell does spread and surely you'd prefer not to sit beside him
At his age I was splashily sick on planes. My poor mother would help me clean her clothes, my clothes, and the seats and backs of seats. And then she'd have to greet her very MIL after a very long-haul flight full of vomit

For God sake give your kid motion sickness meds!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe sit a few rows away from them so you can see them but they can't see you. My kids will complain at me nonstop if I'm near them but will behave like perfect angels if I'm not right there as their punching bag ready to hear every complaint big or small they may have.

no, they are 10/12 don't do this to someone else on their row. What if one of them is sick. Jesus. You shouldn't expect a rando to sit for you

WTF? 10/12 don't need sitters!

Not PP, but one of my kids learned early on to puke very neatly in his sick bag. No mess, but smell does spread and surely you'd prefer not to sit beside him
At his age I was splashily sick on planes. My poor mother would help me clean her clothes, my clothes, and the seats and backs of seats. And then she'd have to greet her very MIL after a very long-haul flight full of vomit

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe sit a few rows away from them so you can see them but they can't see you. My kids will complain at me nonstop if I'm near them but will behave like perfect angels if I'm not right there as their punching bag ready to hear every complaint big or small they may have.

no, they are 10/12 don't do this to someone else on their row. What if one of them is sick. Jesus. You shouldn't expect a rando to sit for you

They’re tweens not toddlers. No one needs babysitting.

then sit with them buddy!!!!

The point is kids can do better without their parents right there all the time. I got separated from mine on our last flight because our original flight was cancelled so we hastily rebooked and were scattered around the plane. Best flight ever. Sitting with them was not an option because my DH and I were in an exit row and kids can't sit there. I visited them a few times and they were great, no complaint no fighting. Sometimes you have to let kids rise to the occasion. They are 8, 10, and 14.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve done England on the red eye a few times. It’s a 7-8 hour flight. I give DD ( now 11) melatonin right as we get on the plane and she konks out.
You’re going the other way but I don’t completely switch to local time. I let her stay up later in England and sleep later so it’s not so dramatic when we return.
On the way back when it’s a daytime flight… screens and snacks.

How much do you give?

5mg

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe sit a few rows away from them so you can see them but they can't see you. My kids will complain at me nonstop if I'm near them but will behave like perfect angels if I'm not right there as their punching bag ready to hear every complaint big or small they may have.

no, they are 10/12 don't do this to someone else on their row. What if one of them is sick. Jesus. You shouldn't expect a rando to sit for you

WTF? 10/12 don't need sitters!

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe sit a few rows away from them so you can see them but they can't see you. My kids will complain at me nonstop if I'm near them but will behave like perfect angels if I'm not right there as their punching bag ready to hear every complaint big or small they may have.

no, they are 10/12 don't do this to someone else on their row. What if one of them is sick. Jesus. You shouldn't expect a rando to sit for you

They’re tweens not toddlers. No one needs babysitting.

then sit with them buddy!!!!