Anonymous
Post 06/08/2024 11:25     Subject: Tone at the Top
Anonymous wrote:

The rest of us know that testing was never optional.



Yep.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2024 11:19     Subject: Tone at the Top


The rest of us know that testing was never optional.

Especially for Asians.

- parent with white-Asian college kids and a high schooler.

Anonymous
Post 06/08/2024 11:17     Subject: Tone at the Top
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:All the 1600SAT kids I know were still rejected from HYPSM so don’t assume this is going to help your high scoring kid.


True. But it may mean a 1490 is now ok to submit?

DP. It was always ok to submit 1490, despite what DCUM posters say.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2024 11:15     Subject: Tone at the Top
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Agree tests best for most T25, other than:

Chicago
UCLA
Cal
Vanderbilt
WashU

I think Chicago, Vandy, and WashU prefer scores too. They'll all go back to TEST required by 2027, except the UCs.


Chicago won’t. It’s never required scores.

Vandy AO really likes the # of apps and the fact that their 25% is higher than MIT. I see them making it permanent like Chicago.

NP. Chicago required scores up until a year or two before COVID. Only about 15% were admitted TO back then (haven't checked lately).
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2024 11:11     Subject: Tone at the Top
Anonymous wrote:All the 1600SAT kids I know were still rejected from HYPSM so don’t assume this is going to help your high scoring kid.


It willl help. Slightly less competition because the kids with low scores won’t be applying or will be screened out.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2024 11:10     Subject: Tone at the Top
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Through this admissions season, the tone at the top has been, "TO is fine; MIT is a weird outlier." Next admissions season--following the announcements from Harvard, Yale, and now Stanford--the tone at the top will be, "TO is actually kinda sketchy." The TO schools still will vastly outnumber the test-required schools (and even Stanford still technically will be TO), but they'll all be looking more askance at TO applicants. UMC+ applicants would be wise to submit at 25%+.


Counselors at well-known private and boarding schools have been saying TO is risky (for unhooked UMC/wealthy)at least 2 cycles, based on what they saw with their own applicants and based on what AOs were “hinting” in communications but unable to say directly. The quiet change back to tests preferred happened in 2022


At our Baltimore private as well.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2024 10:42     Subject: Tone at the Top
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:All the 1600SAT kids I know were still rejected from HYPSM so don’t assume this is going to help your high scoring kid.
A 1600 never got you in. A 1400 will once again keep you out.
Probably not, because they’re going to see everybody’s scores, not just the few who chose to submit - the situation that led to test score inflation.

Test scores post test optional are.not that much higher for most schools. Maybe your Northeasterns and Tulanes but not the top schools. For instance Emory precovid had a 1470 median SAT. Post Covid it's 1500. So whomever you see getting in now, subtract 30 points.


Someone posted the 2019 averages for T30 schools on another thread and the avg difference was 40 points.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2024 10:42     Subject: Tone at the Top
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Agree tests best for most T25, other than:

Chicago
UCLA
Cal
Vanderbilt
WashU

I think Chicago, Vandy, and WashU prefer scores too. They'll all go back to TEST required by 2027, except the UCs.



I thought Chicago became TO even before the pandemic?


TO just helps Chicago reject more people, which is their goal.

Anonymous
Post 06/08/2024 10:37     Subject: Tone at the Top
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:All the 1600SAT kids I know were still rejected from HYPSM so don’t assume this is going to help your high scoring kid.
A 1600 never got you in. A 1400 will once again keep you out.
Probably not, because they’re going to see everybody’s scores, not just the few who chose to submit - the situation that led to test score inflation.

Test scores post test optional are.not that much higher for most schools. Maybe your Northeasterns and Tulanes but not the top schools. For instance Emory precovid had a 1470 median SAT. Post Covid it's 1500. So whomever you see getting in now, subtract 30 points.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2024 10:14     Subject: Tone at the Top
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:All the 1600SAT kids I know were still rejected from HYPSM so don’t assume this is going to help your high scoring kid.


True. But it may mean a 1490 is now ok to submit?


At the very least it means you don’t have to spend weeks agonizing over whether or not to submit an objectively very good score like 1490.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2024 09:42     Subject: Tone at the Top
Which schools benefited the most in rankings, applications etc from TO?
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2024 09:29     Subject: Tone at the Top
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:All the 1600SAT kids I know were still rejected from HYPSM so don’t assume this is going to help your high scoring kid.
A 1600 never got you in. A 1400 will once again keep you out.
Probably not, because they’re going to see everybody’s scores, not just the few who chose to submit - the situation that led to test score inflation.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2024 09:09     Subject: Tone at the Top
Anonymous wrote:All the 1600SAT kids I know were still rejected from HYPSM so don’t assume this is going to help your high scoring kid.
A 1600 never got you in. A 1400 will once again keep you out.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2024 09:06     Subject: Tone at the Top
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just because presidents reinstate testing doesn’t mean the AOs will go back to an older way of doing things.
Oh, honey


Misogynist.