Anonymous
Post 06/05/2024 12:45     Subject: dont send your kids to dental school!

Anonymous wrote:DH's orthodontist worked in finance for 8 years before going to an Ivy dental school on full scholarship so had no debt and ton of savings and investments.


If you were good at finance, why inna hell would you want to be an orthodontist?
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2024 12:45     Subject: dont send your kids to dental school!

Anonymous wrote:do not send your kids to dental school, its probably one of the worst financial decisions unless you have $500k+ for dental school loans and another $500-800k+ to open a dental office! we also have not seen any material increase in wages since the early 2000s!!


Don't send your kids anywhere, let them go where they want to go. No one dreams of cleaning/fixing decaying teeth all day. Most are in it hoping to make money.
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2024 12:40     Subject: dont send your kids to dental school!

DH's orthodontist worked in finance for 8 years before going to an Ivy dental school on full scholarship so had no debt and ton of savings and investments.
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2024 12:37     Subject: dont send your kids to dental school!

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I always figured that for dental and vet school you need a rich parent that can buy everything up front.


You don’t need to spend the money to open your own office right after graduation. It isn’t even advisable. You take over your dad's practice.


Fixed that for you.

It's a nepo world, the rest of us just live in it.


DP +1

All Gen Y dentists I know take over their parents private practice.


OMG so true. My dentist inherited his dad's practice, orthodontist and his doc bro inherited their doc dad's practice and made it a dual service, OMS built his own after doing a highly paid multi year contract in middle east.
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2024 12:30     Subject: dont send your kids to dental school!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I always figured that for dental and vet school you need a rich parent that can buy everything up front.


You don’t need to spend the money to open your own office right after graduation. It isn’t even advisable. You take over your dad's practice.


Fixed that for you.

It's a nepo world, the rest of us just live in it.


DP +1

All Gen Y dentists I know take over their parents private practice.


It's funny, we have been going to our dentist for 20 years, he is excellent. He was taking over his dad's practice when we started, and we saw his dad a couple times during the maybe 5 years he was still there- he was not a very nice guy! But the current one is great. Doesn't seem like any of his kids are going to take it over, interestingly.


They could own the office and hire out chairs to young dentists. Being a landlord and rent seeker is way easier than going to dental school. Run it lean and they could flip the entire practice to private equity for a 7-10x multiple of annual billings. Wait until dad dies so the heirs get the step-up in basis.

The hardest part of being a dentist is finding commercial RE that will allow you to run a practice. No one wants to rent to a dentist. My ex's parents (mom - GP, dad - dentist) had to buy a piece of land in CT and build a mixed use medical building because dad couldn't find anywhere that would let him run a dental practice. All the dentists are crammed into the same 3-4 office bldgs in downtown DC.
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2024 12:29     Subject: dont send your kids to dental school!

Anonymous wrote:You can not argue against the fact that there has been to significant increase in reimbursement from insurance companies.



In my experience, "dental insurance" doesn't cover anything but two checkups/cleanings a year.

If you do anything more than that, you're going to pay out of pocket.
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2024 10:46     Subject: dont send your kids to dental school!

Anonymous wrote:It’s because todays Dentists moved to a different model.

My dentists from the 1960s to 1980s worked out of house they lived in. My dentist growing up took no dental insurance. He did not even have a computer. The emergency after hours number was their home phone number.

The wife, or kid or maybe part time stay at home mom took appointments. You paid by check day of or they mail you a bill you mail back check and wife usually dropped off checks at local bank. They often owned one car as husband worked out of house and wife SAHM. Dentist did cleanings too so no staff or had a local young girl help part time.

Today my dentist lives in an expensive home in Potomac. He rents an expensive office in Bethesda. Him and wife two luxury cars, he takes insurance and has multiple staff front desk as well as multiple employees. It is a very expensive business model. It is not sustainable.

If he got rid of Bethesda office, got rid of staff, got rid of his luxury car and worked out of home and had wife or local college student book appointments and stopped taking insurance his expenses would be way way less. In face he be charging less and making way more


So your solution to the problem of the high costs of dental care is to freeload off the unpaid labor of women. And you think all dentists are hetero married men with stay at home wives. No one here is interested in your opinions.
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2024 10:37     Subject: dont send your kids to dental school!

Anonymous wrote:It’s because todays Dentists moved to a different model.

My dentists from the 1960s to 1980s worked out of house they lived in. My dentist growing up took no dental insurance. He did not even have a computer. The emergency after hours number was their home phone number.

The wife, or kid or maybe part time stay at home mom took appointments. You paid by check day of or they mail you a bill you mail back check and wife usually dropped off checks at local bank. They often owned one car as husband worked out of house and wife SAHM. Dentist did cleanings too so no staff or had a local young girl help part time.

Today my dentist lives in an expensive home in Potomac. He rents an expensive office in Bethesda. Him and wife two luxury cars, he takes insurance and has multiple staff front desk as well as multiple employees. It is a very expensive business model. It is not sustainable.

If he got rid of Bethesda office, got rid of staff, got rid of his luxury car and worked out of home and had wife or local college student book appointments and stopped taking insurance his expenses would be way way less. In face he be charging less and making way more

Would you go to a dentist that worked out of his house?
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2024 10:35     Subject: dont send your kids to dental school!

It’s because todays Dentists moved to a different model.

My dentists from the 1960s to 1980s worked out of house they lived in. My dentist growing up took no dental insurance. He did not even have a computer. The emergency after hours number was their home phone number.

The wife, or kid or maybe part time stay at home mom took appointments. You paid by check day of or they mail you a bill you mail back check and wife usually dropped off checks at local bank. They often owned one car as husband worked out of house and wife SAHM. Dentist did cleanings too so no staff or had a local young girl help part time.

Today my dentist lives in an expensive home in Potomac. He rents an expensive office in Bethesda. Him and wife two luxury cars, he takes insurance and has multiple staff front desk as well as multiple employees. It is a very expensive business model. It is not sustainable.

If he got rid of Bethesda office, got rid of staff, got rid of his luxury car and worked out of home and had wife or local college student book appointments and stopped taking insurance his expenses would be way way less. In face he be charging less and making way more
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2024 10:14     Subject: Re:dont send your kids to dental school!

My kids have zero desire or drive to be a dentist but, thanks anyway?
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2024 10:13     Subject: dont send your kids to dental school!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I always figured that for dental and vet school you need a rich parent that can buy everything up front.


You don’t need to spend the money to open your own office right after graduation. It isn’t even advisable. You take over your dad's practice.


Fixed that for you.

It's a nepo world, the rest of us just live in it.


DP +1

All Gen Y dentists I know take over their parents private practice.


It's funny, we have been going to our dentist for 20 years, he is excellent. He was taking over his dad's practice when we started, and we saw his dad a couple times during the maybe 5 years he was still there- he was not a very nice guy! But the current one is great. Doesn't seem like any of his kids are going to take it over, interestingly.
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2024 10:10     Subject: dont send your kids to dental school!

Anonymous wrote:You can not argue against the fact that there has been to significant increase in reimbursement from insurance companies.

If cost of everything including education has gone up but you're still getting paid the almost the same as 20 years ago, then your personal income is going down.

Delta dental pays $36 for a dental cleaning code, same as 20 years ago. The person cleaning your teeth has gone from $36 to $70/ hour now so the dentist is eating the extra cost. TRUST ME on this, its our reality.

I would not send my kids to dental school.

For those who are wondering, average dentist salary is still at 150k, same as it was 2010. Yes there are some that make more but the AVERAGE is 150K, no way around it.


More than likely a few dentists are very highly paid and many more are UNDER 150k.
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2024 10:04     Subject: dont send your kids to dental school!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I always figured that for dental and vet school you need a rich parent that can buy everything up front.


You don’t need to spend the money to open your own office right after graduation. It isn’t even advisable. You take over your dad's practice.


Fixed that for you.

It's a nepo world, the rest of us just live in it.


DP +1

All Gen Y dentists I know take over their parents private practice.
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2024 10:03     Subject: dont send your kids to dental school!

Anonymous wrote:There is a lot of money in it, specially for orthodontists and Endodontists. Yes, being a sole owner is where real money is but you can start with few tears of practice in an academic setting and then many practices would want you as partners.


Public dental schools + endodontist. Friend's son rolling in $$$ going this route.
Anonymous
Post 06/05/2024 10:01     Subject: dont send your kids to dental school!

Or go to Uniformed Services University. Get your degree, serve your country as a dentist on base in the US and then go into private practice.