Anonymous
05/18/2024 21:40
Subject: Re:DC council makes day care more expensive
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sounds like DC is putting small businesses out of business and increasing unemployment for mostly non white women. That is just an absurd requirement and monetarily infeasible.
Why so negative? This also encourages these women to pursue further education that will increase their income earning potential in the future.
It doesn't make sense. It really doesn't. It's just not needed. It also significantly increases the cost of child care. Plus, you want someone to get a college degree to make minimum wage. Who would go into childcare?
It increases the cost because providers can command higher salaries. I’m okay with that and would prefer providers to have education and training.
Because you are an out of touch rich person who can afford it and don't seem to give a crap about the average working parent who already barely affords daycare in DC or the average working person who makes a living off of providing daycare services. This the requirement makes it worse for blue collar workers.
And you you don’t care about the minimum wage caretakers while you make many times what they make.
DP. I would love to hear how you think someone making minimum wage is going to afford to get a college education. And why you think that a college education automatically means someone makes more than minimum wage. Dcum tends to be pretty out of touch, but this take is extra special.
+1
Daycare costs 2500-3k in DC. I paid less than that.
Tell me how the single parent working as a nurses aide is affording that per month.
They are getting day care subsidies.
Tell me you don’t know shit without telling me that you don’t know shit. Pray tell, where is this subsidy coming from? Very few employers subsidize childcare and the government does not subsidize it except via tax credit that doesn’t even cover 2 months of care.
Clearly you don't know given your post. Are you that clueless? Yes, most local governments have child care subsidies.
Here you go: https://osse.dc.gov/subsidy
Anonymous
05/18/2024 21:38
Subject: Re:DC council makes day care more expensive
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sounds like DC is putting small businesses out of business and increasing unemployment for mostly non white women. That is just an absurd requirement and monetarily infeasible.
Why so negative? This also encourages these women to pursue further education that will increase their income earning potential in the future.
It doesn't make sense. It really doesn't. It's just not needed. It also significantly increases the cost of child care. Plus, you want someone to get a college degree to make minimum wage. Who would go into childcare?
It increases the cost because providers can command higher salaries. I’m okay with that and would prefer providers to have education and training.
Because you are an out of touch rich person who can afford it and don't seem to give a crap about the average working parent who already barely affords daycare in DC or the average working person who makes a living off of providing daycare services. This the requirement makes it worse for blue collar workers.
And you you don’t care about the minimum wage caretakers while you make many times what they make.
DP. I would love to hear how you think someone making minimum wage is going to afford to get a college education. And why you think that a college education automatically means someone makes more than minimum wage. Dcum tends to be pretty out of touch, but this take is extra special.
+1
Daycare costs 2500-3k in DC. I paid less than that.
Tell me how the single parent working as a nurses aide is affording that per month.
They are getting day care subsidies.
Tell me you don’t know shit without telling me that you don’t know shit. Pray tell, where is this subsidy coming from? Very few employers subsidize childcare and the government does not subsidize it except via tax credit that doesn’t even cover 2 months of care.
Anonymous
05/18/2024 21:11
Subject: Re:DC council makes day care more expensive
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sounds like DC is putting small businesses out of business and increasing unemployment for mostly non white women. That is just an absurd requirement and monetarily infeasible.
Why so negative? This also encourages these women to pursue further education that will increase their income earning potential in the future.
It doesn't make sense. It really doesn't. It's just not needed. It also significantly increases the cost of child care. Plus, you want someone to get a college degree to make minimum wage. Who would go into childcare?
It increases the cost because providers can command higher salaries. I’m okay with that and would prefer providers to have education and training.
Because you are an out of touch rich person who can afford it and don't seem to give a crap about the average working parent who already barely affords daycare in DC or the average working person who makes a living off of providing daycare services. This the requirement makes it worse for blue collar workers.
And you you don’t care about the minimum wage caretakers while you make many times what they make.
DP. I would love to hear how you think someone making minimum wage is going to afford to get a college education. And why you think that a college education automatically means someone makes more than minimum wage. Dcum tends to be pretty out of touch, but this take is extra special.
+1
Daycare costs 2500-3k in DC. I paid less than that.
Tell me how the single parent working as a nurses aide is affording that per month.
They are getting day care subsidies.
Anonymous
05/18/2024 21:09
Subject: Re:DC council makes day care more expensive
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sounds like DC is putting small businesses out of business and increasing unemployment for mostly non white women. That is just an absurd requirement and monetarily infeasible.
Why so negative? This also encourages these women to pursue further education that will increase their income earning potential in the future.
It doesn't make sense. It really doesn't. It's just not needed. It also significantly increases the cost of child care. Plus, you want someone to get a college degree to make minimum wage. Who would go into childcare?
It increases the cost because providers can command higher salaries. I’m okay with that and would prefer providers to have education and training.
Because you are an out of touch rich person who can afford it and don't seem to give a crap about the average working parent who already barely affords daycare in DC or the average working person who makes a living off of providing daycare services. This the requirement makes it worse for blue collar workers.
And you you don’t care about the minimum wage caretakers while you make many times what they make.
Please share how you think a minimum wage daycare worker is going to get a college degree?
I think there are legitimate arguments about how to increase the wages of lower salary childcare workers (e.g. federal childcare subsidies, affordable group health insurance offerings, paid sick leave, etc.) but telling them they have to go get a 4 year degree to do the job they are currently doing is frankly cruel and does not come from any place of caring about these workers.
My God, this site is eye opening to how delusional and out of touch some people are.
They somehow care nothing for the minimum wage or just over that workers who also need daycare/childcare. But hey, if daycare starts costing 3500-4k a month then the routine 2500-3k a month it already costs would be totally fine as their subsidized cost, right?
Heck someone making 75k a year isn't affording childcare already and that's earning more than double minimum wage.
Those of us, like me, in a helping profession, making less than $75K, end up staying home because child care for one is equal to our take home.
Anonymous
05/18/2024 21:07
Subject: DC council makes day care more expensive
I talked to a lot of people about this and pretty much everyone thinks it is dumb.
What was the backstory on the legislation? Who favored it?
What was the backstory on the legislation? Who favored it?
Anonymous
05/18/2024 21:07
Subject: DC council makes day care more expensive
In the multiple thousands of years of human history, when has anyone ever needed a college degree to raise or take care of kids?
It's hilariously stupid to require it. Never underestimate the power of progressives to screw everything up with good intentions. The road to hell is paved with them.
It's hilariously stupid to require it. Never underestimate the power of progressives to screw everything up with good intentions. The road to hell is paved with them.
Anonymous
05/18/2024 21:02
Subject: Re:DC council makes day care more expensive
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sounds like DC is putting small businesses out of business and increasing unemployment for mostly non white women. That is just an absurd requirement and monetarily infeasible.
Why so negative? This also encourages these women to pursue further education that will increase their income earning potential in the future.
It doesn't make sense. It really doesn't. It's just not needed. It also significantly increases the cost of child care. Plus, you want someone to get a college degree to make minimum wage. Who would go into childcare?
It increases the cost because providers can command higher salaries. I’m okay with that and would prefer providers to have education and training.
Because you are an out of touch rich person who can afford it and don't seem to give a crap about the average working parent who already barely affords daycare in DC or the average working person who makes a living off of providing daycare services. This the requirement makes it worse for blue collar workers.
Why would you want someone low paid, untrained and uneducated responsible to take care of your kids?
Because it doesn't require a college degree to take good care of babies and toddlers. My mother provided in home daycare as well as another family member. Both without college educations and fantastic with children.
Why are you so condescending as to how you think of childcare providers?
Anonymous
05/18/2024 20:48
Subject: DC council makes day care more expensive
Don’t you all understand the government goal here?
It will force mostly minority women out-of-business, and force these little children into into corporate institutionalized daycare centers.
Years ago I had to sit in for three hours and observe one of these places located off of K St. Every single child was white and every worker was young (20s) and brown. Neither the providers, nor the children seemed to feel valued. It was heartbreaking to witness.
How does any of this make any sense? There is zero evidence that a college degree insures quality care of little children. What children do need is:
1. Stability
2. Basic competence
3. Love
This new law in DC is a travesty. Only the corporate daycare institutions will benefit. Children deserve better. Parents should have the right to determine the best option for their own child. Wake up, people, or government will regulate you to death.
Anonymous
05/18/2024 20:20
Subject: Re:DC council makes day care more expensive
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sounds like DC is putting small businesses out of business and increasing unemployment for mostly non white women. That is just an absurd requirement and monetarily infeasible.
Why so negative? This also encourages these women to pursue further education that will increase their income earning potential in the future.
It doesn't make sense. It really doesn't. It's just not needed. It also significantly increases the cost of child care. Plus, you want someone to get a college degree to make minimum wage. Who would go into childcare?
It increases the cost because providers can command higher salaries. I’m okay with that and would prefer providers to have education and training.
Because you are an out of touch rich person who can afford it and don't seem to give a crap about the average working parent who already barely affords daycare in DC or the average working person who makes a living off of providing daycare services. This the requirement makes it worse for blue collar workers.
Why would you want someone low paid, untrained and uneducated responsible to take care of your kids?
Anonymous
05/18/2024 20:02
Subject: Re:DC council makes day care more expensive
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sounds like DC is putting small businesses out of business and increasing unemployment for mostly non white women. That is just an absurd requirement and monetarily infeasible.
Why so negative? This also encourages these women to pursue further education that will increase their income earning potential in the future.
It doesn't make sense. It really doesn't. It's just not needed. It also significantly increases the cost of child care. Plus, you want someone to get a college degree to make minimum wage. Who would go into childcare?
It increases the cost because providers can command higher salaries. I’m okay with that and would prefer providers to have education and training.
This is absurd.
None of them are going to go to college because of this. And if you have kids (it sounds like you clearly don't), you know how good someone is with children has literally nothing to do with their education (and I say this as something with multiple advanced degrees).
This is yet another in a long line of ideas from the DC government that maybe sound good in theory, but in practice make the world worse for everyone.
Anonymous
05/18/2024 19:30
Subject: DC council makes day care more expensive
I don't understand it either. It is okay to have non educational daycare options. We just need adults who can keep children safe. They don't need to teach or have any child development education. Call it group babysitting if one needs.
Anonymous
05/18/2024 17:11
Subject: DC council makes day care more expensive
This completely unnecessary requirement will only bottleneck the childcare availability in DC even further, make the existing facilities more expensive, and force even more women to drop out of the workforce due to the lack of care options.
Great thinking, DC 👍
Great thinking, DC 👍
Anonymous
05/18/2024 15:03
Subject: Re:DC council makes day care more expensive
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sounds like DC is putting small businesses out of business and increasing unemployment for mostly non white women. That is just an absurd requirement and monetarily infeasible.
Why so negative? This also encourages these women to pursue further education that will increase their income earning potential in the future.
It doesn't make sense. It really doesn't. It's just not needed. It also significantly increases the cost of child care. Plus, you want someone to get a college degree to make minimum wage. Who would go into childcare?
It increases the cost because providers can command higher salaries. I’m okay with that and would prefer providers to have education and training.
Because you are an out of touch rich person who can afford it and don't seem to give a crap about the average working parent who already barely affords daycare in DC or the average working person who makes a living off of providing daycare services. This the requirement makes it worse for blue collar workers.
And you you don’t care about the minimum wage caretakers while you make many times what they make.
Please share how you think a minimum wage daycare worker is going to get a college degree?
I think there are legitimate arguments about how to increase the wages of lower salary childcare workers (e.g. federal childcare subsidies, affordable group health insurance offerings, paid sick leave, etc.) but telling them they have to go get a 4 year degree to do the job they are currently doing is frankly cruel and does not come from any place of caring about these workers.
My God, this site is eye opening to how delusional and out of touch some people are.
+1. I've also seen people elsewhere claim this will improve the quality of daycare in the city because the workers will be more "qualified." But this is already a heavily regulated industry with licensing requirements. They are premising almost entirely on "if we force childcare workers to get higher degrees, they'll make more money," without considering that these workers may already have all the knowledge and skill they need to do this job, and you are just creating an unnecessary hoop for them to jump through in order to access these jobs. Absurd.
Anonymous
05/18/2024 15:02
Subject: DC council makes day care more expensive
Anonymous wrote:I hate this for a host of reasons, not limited to:
- Totally devaluing the caregiving experience many (almost entirely women) bring to the childcare profession earned in their own families and communities. Like that knowledge and experience doesn't matter if you don't have at least an associates degree. Essentially eliminates a possible line of work for women who spend their younger years caregiving unless they have the money to get a degree.
- Particularly harmful for immigrant women, for whom this is a common line of employment and one where they are often valued for skills that will not be represented in that degree requirement, like being bilingual.
- People claim it will lead to higher salaries in the profession but it will also lead to fewer jobs, as many daycares are already paying astronomical rents and cannot afford to also pay higher salaries. So realistically it will mostly benefit the workers who already get higher salaries (because they already have these credentials -- a daycare worker with a degree in early childhood has ALWAYS made more money, this is not new) while eliminating jobs, *and childcare spots*, for everyone else. Instead of win-win-win, it's same-lose-lose. Net negative.
+1 from someone who has many family members and colleagues who are caregivers and in caregiving professions who I love dearly.
This does NOT help them!
Anonymous
05/18/2024 15:00
Subject: Re:DC council makes day care more expensive
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sounds like DC is putting small businesses out of business and increasing unemployment for mostly non white women. That is just an absurd requirement and monetarily infeasible.
Why so negative? This also encourages these women to pursue further education that will increase their income earning potential in the future.
It doesn't make sense. It really doesn't. It's just not needed. It also significantly increases the cost of child care. Plus, you want someone to get a college degree to make minimum wage. Who would go into childcare?
It increases the cost because providers can command higher salaries. I’m okay with that and would prefer providers to have education and training.
Because you are an out of touch rich person who can afford it and don't seem to give a crap about the average working parent who already barely affords daycare in DC or the average working person who makes a living off of providing daycare services. This the requirement makes it worse for blue collar workers.
And you you don’t care about the minimum wage caretakers while you make many times what they make.
Please share how you think a minimum wage daycare worker is going to get a college degree?
I think there are legitimate arguments about how to increase the wages of lower salary childcare workers (e.g. federal childcare subsidies, affordable group health insurance offerings, paid sick leave, etc.) but telling them they have to go get a 4 year degree to do the job they are currently doing is frankly cruel and does not come from any place of caring about these workers.
My God, this site is eye opening to how delusional and out of touch some people are.
They somehow care nothing for the minimum wage or just over that workers who also need daycare/childcare. But hey, if daycare starts costing 3500-4k a month then the routine 2500-3k a month it already costs would be totally fine as their subsidized cost, right?
Heck someone making 75k a year isn't affording childcare already and that's earning more than double minimum wage.