Anonymous wrote:This is absolute insanity.

Isn't the left all gung ho for gun control? Except apparently as it pertains to black minors with machine guns.

He’s 18

Isn't the worry today that there is no social contract? It's every man for himself. The ones who lose time wondering whether they are a man, woman, or something else first will be the ones who are most vulnerable.

Anonymous wrote:The moment the shooter pull led the trigger is the moment he broke the most essential social contract—do not harm. We can’t keep waiting for criminal deviants to change at the risk of further shreds the fabric of our fragile society.

Social trust has evaporated over the past four years because of courtroom decisions like this. I suspect keeping him on the street only introduces and spreads his behaviors to other vulnerable youths. Aggressive kids like him are the ones who become the pack leaders, threatening others into submission.

At some point, we have be adults and lock dangerous people up. Our lives, not to mention the basic functioning of society, depend on it.

That's not even the social contract. if it were, we wouldn't have "stand your ground" laws.

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Anonymous wrote:This young man needs to be held accountable for his actions. What can we do to change the way this was handled?

Vote Republican. Duh.

Oh, hell no. Today's Republicans all hate America and everything it stands for. They staged a violent insurrection and tried to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power. They're hell bent on stripping away our rights. Screw that. Vote blue, no matter who.

Anonymous wrote:This young man needs to be held accountable for his actions. What can we do to change the way this was handled?

Vote Republican. Duh.

This has nothing to do with gun control.
This has nothing to do with whether or not this person will be found guilty and incarcerated.
This has nothing to do with anybody "excusing" the behavior.

The question is whether the outcome of this pre-trial detention decision is different from in similarly-situated cases. Does anybody know if it is?

A person who drives recklessly into a crowd, narrowly missing killing people, maybe even multiple times? Do they get pre-trial release?
A person who is accused of actually murdering someone? Do they get pre-trial release?
A person who shoots into a crowd, but does not hit anyone? Do they get pre-trial release?

Everybody is throwing up all kinds of strawmen and attacking them. But I'm genuinely curious if this is an outlier situation or not...

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Last I checked, you could be bailed out of jail for crimes. What was the bond?

I don’t understand what being “woke” has to do with following the law.

Are you suggesting he should be held without bail? In what grounds? Why do you hate America and our justice system?

DC effectively doesn't have money bail and hasn't since the early 90s. The options are release with conditions or a hold. He was released with conditions (house arrest with an ankle monitor). Legally, he could be held in DC on the basis of having been charged with a crime of violence, if the judge didn't believe that any combination of pretrial conditions would ensure both that he would appear for trial and community safety.

He is still presumed innocent until proven guilty and he still has constitutional rights despite a lot of “anti-woke” (meaning anti-America) demands. People who whine about wokeness are seriously the worst people who hate this country and its basic tenets.

There’s literally video of him spraying a residential street with machine gun fire.

Sometimes I wish people like you would be forced to go meet with the family of people killed or injured by stray bullets. You’re not being a hero. You’re literally arguing for more poor black kids to get shot.

To be clear: Did anyone die from being hit by one of this shooter's bullets? Because if not, you just inserted some random, irrelevant bullshit into this conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:Some context- the defendant was released on 24 confinement to a residence with an ankle monitor. He is pending trial, and it sure looks like the evidence at this point leads to conviction and incarceration.

Some context I cannot immediately locate- what percentage of cases involving similar conduct result in this type of pre-trial release?

I'd love the data, but anecdotally it seems fairly common for even murder suspects to be released on bail?

My question is whether this case is substantially different than results in other cases, which would mean we have an anomaly to investigate involving this judge. Alternatively, if this type of result is common, we are investigating the system as a whole.

Both bear investigating. There was a recent article that GPS is only monitored during business hours, so, that needs change too. Judges and the USAO are federally appointed. Many judges at all levels in DC are former public defenders themselves. There are no easly or to be honest, all that likely, fixes. We are planning to move.

There needs to be public outcry about this part! This is absolutely insane! I don't think it was an article but an excerpt DC Crime Facts posted from some committee review or something.

A kid sprays a neighborhood with bullets and is released on house arrest but the monitoring is essentially useless.

The moment the shooter pull led the trigger is the moment he broke the most essential social contract—do not harm. We can’t keep waiting for criminal deviants to change at the risk of further shreds the fabric of our fragile society.

Social trust has evaporated over the past four years because of courtroom decisions like this. I suspect keeping him on the street only introduces and spreads his behaviors to other vulnerable youths. Aggressive kids like him are the ones who become the pack leaders, threatening others into submission.

At some point, we have be adults and lock dangerous people up. Our lives, not to mention the basic functioning of society, depend on it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Last I checked, you could be bailed out of jail for crimes. What was the bond?

I don’t understand what being “woke” has to do with following the law.

Are you suggesting he should be held without bail? In what grounds? Why do you hate America and our justice system?

DC effectively doesn't have money bail and hasn't since the early 90s. The options are release with conditions or a hold. He was released with conditions (house arrest with an ankle monitor). Legally, he could be held in DC on the basis of having been charged with a crime of violence, if the judge didn't believe that any combination of pretrial conditions would ensure both that he would appear for trial and community safety.

He is still presumed innocent until proven guilty and he still has constitutional rights despite a lot of “anti-woke” (meaning anti-America) demands. People who whine about wokeness are seriously the worst people who hate this country and its basic tenets.

There’s literally video of him spraying a residential street with machine gun fire.

Sometimes I wish people like you would be forced to go meet with the family of people killed or injured by stray bullets. You’re not being a hero. You’re literally arguing for more poor black kids to get shot.

Anonymous wrote:If we banned AR-15s and confiscated all the guns, this wouldn’t have happened. Since some of y’all want to go ahead and do away with constitutional rights, let’s take that a step further and seize all the guns.

Keeping the kid in jail violated zero constitutional rights.

Anonymous wrote:Last I checked, you could be bailed out of jail for crimes. What was the bond?

I don’t understand what being “woke” has to do with following the law.

Are you suggesting he should be held without bail? In what grounds? Why do you hate America and our justice system?

1) DC mostly ended cash bail in the 90s.
2) The whole point of this story is that granting bail was discretionary on the part of the judge.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Last I checked, you could be bailed out of jail for crimes. What was the bond?

I don’t understand what being “woke” has to do with following the law.

Are you suggesting he should be held without bail? In what grounds? Why do you hate America and our justice system?

DC effectively doesn't have money bail and hasn't since the early 90s. The options are release with conditions or a hold. He was released with conditions (house arrest with an ankle monitor). Legally, he could be held in DC on the basis of having been charged with a crime of violence, if the judge didn't believe that any combination of pretrial conditions would ensure both that he would appear for trial and community safety.

He is still presumed innocent until proven guilty and he still has constitutional rights despite a lot of “anti-woke” (meaning anti-America) demands. People who whine about wokeness are seriously the worst people who hate this country and its basic tenets.

I don't disagree with the bolded, but his constitutional rights don't include an absolute right to bail. The Eighth Amendment allows pretrial detention without bail under United States v. Salerno.

Anonymous wrote:Some context- the defendant was released on 24 confinement to a residence with an ankle monitor. He is pending trial, and it sure looks like the evidence at this point leads to conviction and incarceration.

Some context I cannot immediately locate- what percentage of cases involving similar conduct result in this type of pre-trial release?

I'd love the data, but anecdotally it seems fairly common for even murder suspects to be released on bail?

My question is whether this case is substantially different than results in other cases, which would mean we have an anomaly to investigate involving this judge. Alternatively, if this type of result is common, we are investigating the system as a whole.

Both bear investigating. There was a recent article that GPS is only monitored during business hours, so, that needs change too. Judges and the USAO are federally appointed. Many judges at all levels in DC are former public defenders themselves. There are no easly or to be honest, all that likely, fixes. We are planning to move.

If we banned AR-15s and confiscated all the guns, this wouldn’t have happened. Since some of y’all want to go ahead and do away with constitutional rights, let’s take that a step further and seize all the guns.