Anonymous
Post 05/01/2024 12:50     Subject: Why can’t boys join Girl Scouts ?
Anonymous wrote:Why would they want to? Girl Scouts seems to exist to just get girls to sell cookies. Its a MLM org for girls.


Thin Mints, ftw! Never affiliated with Girl Scouts. I would gladly pay for those MLM cookies. To me it's a seasonal treat and an opportunity to be friendly to co-workers. No worse than Paul Newman's or Whole Foods cookie prices.

Fundraising skills are relevant to adulthood...communicating objectives, asking for support, being part of a community, etc.

The girls that are in it seem to be having fun and learning something.

I do think it was a bit of a market share grab by the Boy Scouts but I can appreciate that some people want to affiliate with a single organization for their entire set of kids.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2024 12:48     Subject: Why can’t boys join Girl Scouts ?
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Anonymous wrote:Like PP said, the organizations are unrelated and each makes their own rules. If Girl Scouts USA wanted to allow boys they could probably just change their policies to allow it, but I don't think it aligns with their mission. Girl Scouts is all about empowering girls. I could see how boys might want to join the girls - the troops I've been involved in have had a lot of focus on entrepreneurship, learning about scouts around the world and other cultures, and handcrafting skills and I don't think that is a focus in boy scouts at all.
But anyway, they designed the program with girls in mind - they want to be a safe space for girls and allow girls to have a designed place to take on leadership roles. They cite research on the benefits of all-female environments for girls and also on how girls perform more cautiously or deferentially when boys are present.
Membership is based on identity so trans girls are welcome in girls scouts.


As a parent of a boy and a girl, I absolutely love how there are girl- only spaces for my daughter (she does Girl Scouts and girls on the run- has friends who do girls who code but she isn’t interested). I truly, truly wish there were similar boys-only spaces for my son.


As a mom of two boys, there are plenty of boys only spaces available. The whole of US society centers on whiteness, straightness, and maleness being the neutral standard and any other identity is just that, an “Other” that must be specified and defined. If you don’t understand why people defined by their otherness would want designated spaces or if you feel like the existence of those spaces is somehow denying your sons something they are entitled to, then you are part of reason those spaces are needed in the first place.


DP. That poster may be part of the reason those spaces are needed but her sons aren't. They are kids. And while girls-only spaces are good for girls, it is also true that boys-only spaces are good for boys, combined with coed spaces.

As women continue to advocate for girls- and women-only spaces, it makes no sense to me that they refuse to understand why boys- or men-only spaces might also be a good idea.


Boys have boys only spaces. There's a couple parallels to Girls on the Run for boys. BSA is mostly separated by gender at the pack, troop, or patrol level.


Except they do all of the activities with girls, including camping and camps. So no, they are not boy only spaces.


That is completely dependent on the troop. There are still many boys-only troops/packs that don't do things with girls. There are also many functionally-coed troops/packs. If you can't find a boys-only troop, just post on your local facebook page or PTA group or whatever and I'm sure someone can help you connect.


You're missing the point. Whatever the reason was for the organization to start accepting girls, they do as a matter of policy. Girl Scouts do not.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2024 12:40     Subject: Why can’t boys join Girl Scouts ?
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Anonymous wrote:Like PP said, the organizations are unrelated and each makes their own rules. If Girl Scouts USA wanted to allow boys they could probably just change their policies to allow it, but I don't think it aligns with their mission. Girl Scouts is all about empowering girls. I could see how boys might want to join the girls - the troops I've been involved in have had a lot of focus on entrepreneurship, learning about scouts around the world and other cultures, and handcrafting skills and I don't think that is a focus in boy scouts at all.
But anyway, they designed the program with girls in mind - they want to be a safe space for girls and allow girls to have a designed place to take on leadership roles. They cite research on the benefits of all-female environments for girls and also on how girls perform more cautiously or deferentially when boys are present.
Membership is based on identity so trans girls are welcome in girls scouts.


As a parent of a boy and a girl, I absolutely love how there are girl- only spaces for my daughter (she does Girl Scouts and girls on the run- has friends who do girls who code but she isn’t interested). I truly, truly wish there were similar boys-only spaces for my son.


As a mom of two boys, there are plenty of boys only spaces available. The whole of US society centers on whiteness, straightness, and maleness being the neutral standard and any other identity is just that, an “Other” that must be specified and defined. If you don’t understand why people defined by their otherness would want designated spaces or if you feel like the existence of those spaces is somehow denying your sons something they are entitled to, then you are part of reason those spaces are needed in the first place.


DP. That poster may be part of the reason those spaces are needed but her sons aren't. They are kids. And while girls-only spaces are good for girls, it is also true that boys-only spaces are good for boys, combined with coed spaces.

As women continue to advocate for girls- and women-only spaces, it makes no sense to me that they refuse to understand why boys- or men-only spaces might also be a good idea.


Boys have boys only spaces. There's a couple parallels to Girls on the Run for boys. BSA is mostly separated by gender at the pack, troop, or patrol level.


Except they do all of the activities with girls, including camping and camps. So no, they are not boy only spaces.


That is completely dependent on the troop. There are still many boys-only troops/packs that don't do things with girls. There are also many functionally-coed troops/packs. If you can't find a boys-only troop, just post on your local facebook page or PTA group or whatever and I'm sure someone can help you connect.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2024 12:17     Subject: Why can’t boys join Girl Scouts ?
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Anonymous wrote:Like PP said, the organizations are unrelated and each makes their own rules. If Girl Scouts USA wanted to allow boys they could probably just change their policies to allow it, but I don't think it aligns with their mission. Girl Scouts is all about empowering girls. I could see how boys might want to join the girls - the troops I've been involved in have had a lot of focus on entrepreneurship, learning about scouts around the world and other cultures, and handcrafting skills and I don't think that is a focus in boy scouts at all.
But anyway, they designed the program with girls in mind - they want to be a safe space for girls and allow girls to have a designed place to take on leadership roles. They cite research on the benefits of all-female environments for girls and also on how girls perform more cautiously or deferentially when boys are present.
Membership is based on identity so trans girls are welcome in girls scouts.


As a parent of a boy and a girl, I absolutely love how there are girl- only spaces for my daughter (she does Girl Scouts and girls on the run- has friends who do girls who code but she isn’t interested). I truly, truly wish there were similar boys-only spaces for my son.


As a mom of two boys, there are plenty of boys only spaces available. The whole of US society centers on whiteness, straightness, and maleness being the neutral standard and any other identity is just that, an “Other” that must be specified and defined. If you don’t understand why people defined by their otherness would want designated spaces or if you feel like the existence of those spaces is somehow denying your sons something they are entitled to, then you are part of reason those spaces are needed in the first place.


DP. That poster may be part of the reason those spaces are needed but her sons aren't. They are kids. And while girls-only spaces are good for girls, it is also true that boys-only spaces are good for boys, combined with coed spaces.

As women continue to advocate for girls- and women-only spaces, it makes no sense to me that they refuse to understand why boys- or men-only spaces might also be a good idea.


Boys have boys only spaces. There's a couple parallels to Girls on the Run for boys. BSA is mostly separated by gender at the pack, troop, or patrol level.


Except they do all of the activities with girls, including camping and camps. So no, they are not boy only spaces.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2024 12:17     Subject: Why can’t boys join Girl Scouts ?
Anonymous wrote:Because they’re different organizations with different sets of rules. BSA only allowed girls in because membership dropped so steeply after all the stuff came out about child molestation by troop leaders.


I remember this, not enough boys wanted to join.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2024 12:16     Subject: Why can’t boys join Girl Scouts ?
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Anonymous wrote:Like PP said, the organizations are unrelated and each makes their own rules. If Girl Scouts USA wanted to allow boys they could probably just change their policies to allow it, but I don't think it aligns with their mission. Girl Scouts is all about empowering girls. I could see how boys might want to join the girls - the troops I've been involved in have had a lot of focus on entrepreneurship, learning about scouts around the world and other cultures, and handcrafting skills and I don't think that is a focus in boy scouts at all.
But anyway, they designed the program with girls in mind - they want to be a safe space for girls and allow girls to have a designed place to take on leadership roles. They cite research on the benefits of all-female environments for girls and also on how girls perform more cautiously or deferentially when boys are present.
Membership is based on identity so trans girls are welcome in girls scouts.


As a parent of a boy and a girl, I absolutely love how there are girl- only spaces for my daughter (she does Girl Scouts and girls on the run- has friends who do girls who code but she isn’t interested). I truly, truly wish there were similar boys-only spaces for my son.


As a mom of two boys, there are plenty of boys only spaces available. The whole of US society centers on whiteness, straightness, and maleness being the neutral standard and any other identity is just that, an “Other” that must be specified and defined. If you don’t understand why people defined by their otherness would want designated spaces or if you feel like the existence of those spaces is somehow denying your sons something they are entitled to, then you are part of reason those spaces are needed in the first place.


DP. That poster may be part of the reason those spaces are needed but her sons aren't. They are kids. And while girls-only spaces are good for girls, it is also true that boys-only spaces are good for boys, combined with coed spaces.

As women continue to advocate for girls- and women-only spaces, it makes no sense to me that they refuse to understand why boys- or men-only spaces might also be a good idea.


Who refuses to understand why boys-only spaces might be a good idea? It was Boy Scouts who changed their policy because of plummeting membership and lots of legal fees. Plenty of all-boys schools and boys-only programs exist still. As a girl scout leader and mom to a boy and a girl, I think it was a terrible idea for Boy Scouts to go coed, but that was their decision, and had **nothing** to do with Girl Scouts or with girls in general.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2024 12:13     Subject: Why can’t boys join Girl Scouts ?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Like PP said, the organizations are unrelated and each makes their own rules. If Girl Scouts USA wanted to allow boys they could probably just change their policies to allow it, but I don't think it aligns with their mission. Girl Scouts is all about empowering girls. I could see how boys might want to join the girls - the troops I've been involved in have had a lot of focus on entrepreneurship, learning about scouts around the world and other cultures, and handcrafting skills and I don't think that is a focus in boy scouts at all.
But anyway, they designed the program with girls in mind - they want to be a safe space for girls and allow girls to have a designed place to take on leadership roles. They cite research on the benefits of all-female environments for girls and also on how girls perform more cautiously or deferentially when boys are present.
Membership is based on identity so trans girls are welcome in girls scouts.


As a parent of a boy and a girl, I absolutely love how there are girl- only spaces for my daughter (she does Girl Scouts and girls on the run- has friends who do girls who code but she isn’t interested). I truly, truly wish there were similar boys-only spaces for my son.


As a mom of two boys, there are plenty of boys only spaces available. The whole of US society centers on whiteness, straightness, and maleness being the neutral standard and any other identity is just that, an “Other” that must be specified and defined. If you don’t understand why people defined by their otherness would want designated spaces or if you feel like the existence of those spaces is somehow denying your sons something they are entitled to, then you are part of reason those spaces are needed in the first place.


DP. That poster may be part of the reason those spaces are needed but her sons aren't. They are kids. And while girls-only spaces are good for girls, it is also true that boys-only spaces are good for boys, combined with coed spaces.

As women continue to advocate for girls- and women-only spaces, it makes no sense to me that they refuse to understand why boys- or men-only spaces might also be a good idea.


Boys have boys only spaces. There's a couple parallels to Girls on the Run for boys. BSA is mostly separated by gender at the pack, troop, or patrol level.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2024 12:13     Subject: Why can’t boys join Girl Scouts ?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Like PP said, the organizations are unrelated and each makes their own rules. If Girl Scouts USA wanted to allow boys they could probably just change their policies to allow it, but I don't think it aligns with their mission. Girl Scouts is all about empowering girls. I could see how boys might want to join the girls - the troops I've been involved in have had a lot of focus on entrepreneurship, learning about scouts around the world and other cultures, and handcrafting skills and I don't think that is a focus in boy scouts at all.
But anyway, they designed the program with girls in mind - they want to be a safe space for girls and allow girls to have a designed place to take on leadership roles. They cite research on the benefits of all-female environments for girls and also on how girls perform more cautiously or deferentially when boys are present.
Membership is based on identity so trans girls are welcome in girls scouts.


As a parent of a boy and a girl, I absolutely love how there are girl- only spaces for my daughter (she does Girl Scouts and girls on the run- has friends who do girls who code but she isn’t interested). I truly, truly wish there were similar boys-only spaces for my son.


As a mom of two boys, there are plenty of boys only spaces available. The whole of US society centers on whiteness, straightness, and maleness being the neutral standard and any other identity is just that, an “Other” that must be specified and defined. If you don’t understand why people defined by their otherness would want designated spaces or if you feel like the existence of those spaces is somehow denying your sons something they are entitled to, then you are part of reason those spaces are needed in the first place.


DP. That poster may be part of the reason those spaces are needed but her sons aren't. They are kids. And while girls-only spaces are good for girls, it is also true that boys-only spaces are good for boys, combined with coed spaces.

As women continue to advocate for girls- and women-only spaces, it makes no sense to me that they refuse to understand why boys- or men-only spaces might also be a good idea.



The statement in bold makes so much sense to me.

I am the parent of a daughter and a son, BTW.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2024 12:05     Subject: Why can’t boys join Girl Scouts ?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Like PP said, the organizations are unrelated and each makes their own rules. If Girl Scouts USA wanted to allow boys they could probably just change their policies to allow it, but I don't think it aligns with their mission. Girl Scouts is all about empowering girls. I could see how boys might want to join the girls - the troops I've been involved in have had a lot of focus on entrepreneurship, learning about scouts around the world and other cultures, and handcrafting skills and I don't think that is a focus in boy scouts at all.
But anyway, they designed the program with girls in mind - they want to be a safe space for girls and allow girls to have a designed place to take on leadership roles. They cite research on the benefits of all-female environments for girls and also on how girls perform more cautiously or deferentially when boys are present.
Membership is based on identity so trans girls are welcome in girls scouts.


As a parent of a boy and a girl, I absolutely love how there are girl- only spaces for my daughter (she does Girl Scouts and girls on the run- has friends who do girls who code but she isn’t interested). I truly, truly wish there were similar boys-only spaces for my son.


As a mom of two boys, there are plenty of boys only spaces available. The whole of US society centers on whiteness, straightness, and maleness being the neutral standard and any other identity is just that, an “Other” that must be specified and defined. If you don’t understand why people defined by their otherness would want designated spaces or if you feel like the existence of those spaces is somehow denying your sons something they are entitled to, then you are part of reason those spaces are needed in the first place.


DP. That poster may be part of the reason those spaces are needed but her sons aren't. They are kids. And while girls-only spaces are good for girls, it is also true that boys-only spaces are good for boys, combined with coed spaces.

As women continue to advocate for girls- and women-only spaces, it makes no sense to me that they refuse to understand why boys- or men-only spaces might also be a good idea.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2024 12:04     Subject: Why can’t boys join Girl Scouts ?
Anonymous wrote:Because as long as certain groups, including women, experience discrimination, they deserve to have dedicated spaces where they can explore their identity and concerns without white men present.
I am a parent to two white boys and I coach an elementary level coed activity while my spouse leads a Cub Scout den. I assure you that 8-11 yr old girls do not want to spend more time with 8-11 yr old boys. Maybe in K and 1st there are more shared interests, but the 4th grade girls I know want to make crafts, plan their cookie booths, go camping, explore career options, and do science experiments without a bunch of loud, obnoxious, smelly boys around.


I have no problem with girl scouts being exclusive to girls at all. But your statement is a part of the problem.

Boys don't want to be around a bunch of smelly, loud, obnoxious girls either.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2024 12:01     Subject: Why can’t boys join Girl Scouts ?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Like PP said, the organizations are unrelated and each makes their own rules. If Girl Scouts USA wanted to allow boys they could probably just change their policies to allow it, but I don't think it aligns with their mission. Girl Scouts is all about empowering girls. I could see how boys might want to join the girls - the troops I've been involved in have had a lot of focus on entrepreneurship, learning about scouts around the world and other cultures, and handcrafting skills and I don't think that is a focus in boy scouts at all.
But anyway, they designed the program with girls in mind - they want to be a safe space for girls and allow girls to have a designed place to take on leadership roles. They cite research on the benefits of all-female environments for girls and also on how girls perform more cautiously or deferentially when boys are present.
Membership is based on identity so trans girls are welcome in girls scouts.


As a parent of a boy and a girl, I absolutely love how there are girl- only spaces for my daughter (she does Girl Scouts and girls on the run- has friends who do girls who code but she isn’t interested). I truly, truly wish there were similar boys-only spaces for my son.


As a mom of two boys, there are plenty of boys only spaces available. The whole of US society centers on whiteness, straightness, and maleness being the neutral standard and any other identity is just that, an “Other” that must be specified and defined. If you don’t understand why people defined by their otherness would want designated spaces or if you feel like the existence of those spaces is somehow denying your sons something they are entitled to, then you are part of reason those spaces are needed in the first place.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2024 11:58     Subject: Why can’t boys join Girl Scouts ?
Why would they want to? Girl Scouts seems to exist to just get girls to sell cookies. Its a MLM org for girls.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2024 11:54     Subject: Why can’t boys join Girl Scouts ?
Because as long as certain groups, including women, experience discrimination, they deserve to have dedicated spaces where they can explore their identity and concerns without white men present.
I am a parent to two white boys and I coach an elementary level coed activity while my spouse leads a Cub Scout den. I assure you that 8-11 yr old girls do not want to spend more time with 8-11 yr old boys. Maybe in K and 1st there are more shared interests, but the 4th grade girls I know want to make crafts, plan their cookie booths, go camping, explore career options, and do science experiments without a bunch of loud, obnoxious, smelly boys around.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2024 11:47     Subject: Why can’t boys join Girl Scouts ?
Anonymous wrote:The mission of Girl Scouts of USA is to build girls of courage, confidence, and character who make the world a better place.

They feel they can best do that in an environment that doesn't include boys.


I'm an Eagle Scout, have two of my own sons, and happily welcome girls/trans kids/LGBTQ kids + parents into Scouts BSA (if that's what they want to do).

At the same time, I also support Girl Scouts of USA being exclusively for girls and getting their own space (if that's what they want to do).

There's enough options here to accommodate everyone. The good thing about Scouts BSA is that you can find every type of troop/pack that caters to your liking. A church can decide that their Scouts BSA troop will be boys-only and only open to members of their church. Across town, there will be a Scouts BSA troop that has separate boy-only and girl-only units based out of a school. And then down the street you have a fully co-ed Scouts BSA troop at a Unitarian Church that has a strong presence of LBGTQ kids and families.

Something for everyone. That's OK.

Anonymous
Post 05/01/2024 11:43     Subject: Why can’t boys join Girl Scouts ?
Anonymous wrote:Because the ACLU and other liberal groups decided to attack only the boy scouts and destroy it. Girls scouts are small potatoes compared to BSA. Ergo, we have a weird historical development


Everything about your post is wrong and weird.
The ACLU had nothing to do with boy scouts admitting girls.
As for "small potatoes"... not sure what you mean there, but there are about 1.1 million girl members of GSUSA and about 1.2 million youth members of Scouts BSA, so seems like the potatoes are roughly the same size.