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Anonymous wrote:If you think everything endorsed or commended in the bible or the koran is moral, then most people would think you a highly immoral person.

Please point us to something in the New Testament that you find immoral.

Oh, the first half doesn't count? Good then stop saying homosexuality is immoral.

Since you ask for one NT example, how about this one:

“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)

Highly immoral, don't you agree?

PP you still around? Don’t you agree that is immoral?

NP
Slavery exists today and has always existed. Today there are more people in slavery than any other time in human history. Our culture which judges slavery as immoral is an aberration. And slavery was first abolished and deemed immoral is because white, male, Christians interpreted it as anti-Christian and society continues to adhere to those moral values, despite being almost wholly severed from Christianity.

Answer the question. Is that passage immoral or not?

In myself.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you think everything endorsed or commended in the bible or the koran is moral, then most people would think you a highly immoral person.

Please point us to something in the New Testament that you find immoral.

Oh, the first half doesn't count? Good then stop saying homosexuality is immoral.

Since you ask for one NT example, how about this one:

“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)

Highly immoral, don't you agree?

PP you still around? Don’t you agree that is immoral?

NP
Slavery exists today and has always existed. Today there are more people in slavery than any other time in human history. Our culture which judges slavery as immoral is an aberration. And slavery was first abolished and deemed immoral is because white, male, Christians interpreted it as anti-Christian and society continues to adhere to those moral values, despite being almost wholly severed from Christianity.

Anonymous wrote:My Dad used to say never trust a business that puts Jesus fish on their business card because they're always the worst liars and cheats.

I actually have seen Christianity used to justify horrific stuff (like sexual abuse of minors) because "well, god forgave him". The whole idea of confession and forgiveness get weaponized.

So you think your dad was moral because he judged other people?

He sounds like the bigots who judge all Jewish people as con men, crooked money lenders, etc.

Anonymous wrote:I'm not clear if I'm a good person because I'm inherently good, because my parents taught me morals, because I follow my birth religion and fear God's revenge, fear legal or social implications or something else.

However, as I wouldn't lie, drink, steal, hurt, cheat, scam etc even when no one is watching or I can get away with it so its probably my nature but would I be the same had my parents didn't instill the empathy, sympathy, honesty and other such values and put the fear of God and law in me? It's hard to know.

What about you? Why you do things right and why you don't get tempted? In your opinions why some people feel fine doing bad things? How we become conscientious or opposite?

You have never told a single lie, op?

My father was a theoretical physicist and an avowed atheist. And the straightest arrow you would ever meet. I learned under my parent’s tutelage.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you think everything endorsed or commended in the bible or the koran is moral, then most people would think you a highly immoral person.

Please point us to something in the New Testament that you find immoral.

Oh, the first half doesn't count? Good then stop saying homosexuality is immoral.

Since you ask for one NT example, how about this one:

“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)

Highly immoral, don't you agree?

PP you still around? Don’t you agree that is immoral?

My Dad used to say never trust a business that puts Jesus fish on their business card because they're always the worst liars and cheats.

I actually have seen Christianity used to justify horrific stuff (like sexual abuse of minors) because "well, god forgave him". The whole idea of confession and forgiveness get weaponized.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you think everything endorsed or commended in the bible or the koran is moral, then most people would think you a highly immoral person.

Please point us to something in the New Testament that you find immoral.

Oh, the first half doesn't count? Good then stop saying homosexuality is immoral.

Since you ask for one NT example, how about this one:

“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)

Highly immoral, don't you agree?

And if the OT doesn’t “count”, doesn’t a lot of the other foundation for Christianity fall apart also ?

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Anonymous wrote:If you think everything endorsed or commended in the bible or the koran is moral, then most people would think you a highly immoral person.

Please point us to something in the New Testament that you find immoral.

Oh, the first half doesn't count? Good then stop saying homosexuality is immoral.

Since you ask for one NT example, how about this one:

“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)

Highly immoral, don't you agree?

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Anonymous wrote:If you think everything endorsed or commended in the bible or the koran is moral, then most people would think you a highly immoral person.

Please point us to something in the New Testament that you find immoral.

Ephesians 6:5-8

Peter 2:18-20

I think my moral compass is based in two ways 1) by my parents, who taught me to do the right thing by example as well as through discussion - I may disagree with them now as an adult in some areas/topics but the idea that there is a "right" and "wrong" way to treat people, situations, and myself is instilled and now, considered on an ongoing basis.

2) Religion - while I may disagree with several modern stances of the Church, the basic laws and teachings have a positive, strong influence that guides me in life. It is not easy - the church prompts us to seek and ask the hard questions about morality, which is why I think religion is of great value to many and also why some avoid it. I see often a society that takes the easy way out in favor of their own self interest - that thinks first of the worst of others, that does not seek to learn before proclaiming, that acts with disregard for the feelings of others - many times this is done with an easy excuse or justification that the offender is "xyz" so as to be let off the hook. The religious teaching I have had would not accept this easy justification and would ask us to dig further - to respect and consider another's views, to be considerate of their life's journey and trials, and to seek the good in others.

As to why some people are "fine doing bad things", OP, - I think it is learned. I don't think people are inherently good or bad. People are taught a range between valuing a consideration of ethics in their actions to taking from this world whatever they can get away with. Fortunately, we are all capable of change and growth.

Anonymous wrote:If you think everything endorsed or commended in the bible or the koran is moral, then most people would think you a highly immoral person.

Please point us to something in the New Testament that you find immoral.

If you think everything endorsed or commended in the bible or the koran is moral, then most people would think you a highly immoral person.

Anonymous wrote:People are basically good. Human nature does not need religion to shame people into being good.

If there is inherent evil, that is an aberration.

Hmm.. I have doubts about your first sentence, the history of the world would seem to refute that in many ways -- the second sentence is true, however. I guess it all depends on what is deemed bad or sinful.