Anonymous
Post 04/08/2024 11:08     Subject: Do they count iready scores now?
Anonymous wrote:Agreed if the student is getting 135+ on the CoGAT, they should be getting 99% on the iready. Anything below a 95% is suspicious, and anything below 90% signals prepping. If the HOPE scores are more in line with 90%tile than 99%tile, then I can see why the selection committee would reject.

Maybe… my DC got a 135+ quant score on the Cogat. We didn’t even discuss the test at home, much less prep. Their math iready scores aren’t great.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2024 09:52     Subject: Do they count iready scores now?
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Anonymous wrote:Agreed if the student is getting 135+ on the CoGAT, they should be getting 99% on the iready. Anything below a 95% is suspicious, and anything below 90% signals prepping. If the HOPE scores are more in line with 90%tile than 99%tile, then I can see why the selection committee would reject.


Completely disagree here. COGAT and Iready are measuring different things.
COGAT is measuring general intelligence like an IQ test
and so the questions have nothing to do with what kids are learning in school. Iready, in contrast, is a way to check on comprehension and understanding of grade-level material.

Also, with any standardized test for young kids, it matters a lot how the kid happens to feel on the day the test is given. Thus, if someone has one bad score, I don't think you can assume one thing or another.

If the COGAT is measuring general intelligence like an IQ test, how come it is fairly easy to prep for?


One can "prep" for any test. Who says you can't prep for an IQ test? If an IQ test were the basis for entry into AAP, people would prep for it.

Notwithstanding the foregoing, even if anyone can "prep" for any test, it doesn't mean that anyone can get perfect scores on the COGAT or an IQ test. "Prep" just lets one perform to the best of one's ability (which could still be bad because one is inherently bad at a topic or a subject). I don't understand all the hate towards "prepping." Why shouldn't we reward people who work hard at something?

I am sympathetic towards people who dislike standardized testing because they don't think it's a precise measure of things and it's something that can be easily manipulated. However, if that is the standard, why hate on people who are trying to make the best of a flawed system by working hard?


The reason that prepping invalidates the Cogat (and a few other tests including the old quant test for TJ admissions) is that the test is designed to evaluate someone's response to a new question that they haven't seen before and how they would think about it or solve it. If they have prepped, they have already thought about or solved that type of question, may have already been told how to answer it. So the test becomes invalid. Prepping isn't studying for a test, it's breaking it.

Fwiw, the LAST is considered the best IQ proxy test because everyone studies for it and everyone comes in with the same amount of prepping. Not the case for any other IQ proxy test, where some people take it cold and others have prepped for it. I'll tell you my LSAT score if you tell me yours.


Our school does 3 days of CogAT familiarization before the test. Same with NNAT. So all the kids come in knowing what the questions look like.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2024 09:47     Subject: Do they count iready scores now?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Agreed if the student is getting 135+ on the CoGAT, they should be getting 99% on the iready. Anything below a 95% is suspicious, and anything below 90% signals prepping. If the HOPE scores are more in line with 90%tile than 99%tile, then I can see why the selection committee would reject.


Completely disagree here. COGAT and Iready are measuring different things.
COGAT is measuring general intelligence like an IQ test
and so the questions have nothing to do with what kids are learning in school. Iready, in contrast, is a way to check on comprehension and understanding of grade-level material.

Also, with any standardized test for young kids, it matters a lot how the kid happens to feel on the day the test is given. Thus, if someone has one bad score, I don't think you can assume one thing or another.

If the COGAT is measuring general intelligence like an IQ test, how come it is fairly easy to prep for?


One can "prep" for any test. Who says you can't prep for an IQ test? If an IQ test were the basis for entry into AAP, people would prep for it.

Notwithstanding the foregoing, even if anyone can "prep" for any test, it doesn't mean that anyone can get perfect scores on the COGAT or an IQ test. "Prep" just lets one perform to the best of one's ability (which could still be bad because one is inherently bad at a topic or a subject). I don't understand all the hate towards "prepping." Why shouldn't we reward people who work hard at something?

I am sympathetic towards people who dislike standardized testing because they don't think it's a precise measure of things and it's something that can be easily manipulated. However, if that is the standard, why hate on people who are trying to make the best of a flawed system by working hard?


The reason that prepping invalidates the Cogat (and a few other tests including the old quant test for TJ admissions) is that the test is designed to evaluate someone's response to a new question that they haven't seen before and how they would think about it or solve it. If they have prepped, they have already thought about or solved that type of question, may have already been told how to answer it. So the test becomes invalid. Prepping isn't studying for a test, it's breaking it.

Fwiw, the LAST is considered the best IQ proxy test because everyone studies for it and everyone comes in with the same amount of prepping. Not the case for any other IQ proxy test, where some people take it cold and others have prepped for it. I'll tell you my LSAT score if you tell me yours.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2024 09:42     Subject: Do they count iready scores now?
Anonymous wrote:Agreed if the student is getting 135+ on the CoGAT, they should be getting 99% on the iready. Anything below a 95% is suspicious, and anything below 90% signals prepping. If the HOPE scores are more in line with 90%tile than 99%tile, then I can see why the selection committee would reject.


My kid got a 135 on the CogAT and 89th percentile on iReady for math (over 99). Of my 3 kids, older 2 in AAP, only 1 consistently gets 99th percentile on iReady. My youngest kid just doesn't care about doing well on tests or assignments no matter how much I tell her, but happened to enjoy the CogAT. And yes, we prepped a little. And no, I don't feel bad. And yes, she's in. She'll do fine. I know because I know the kind of kids who are in AAP at our mid-SES center. This board will have you believe if your kid is not Mensa quality they don't belong in AAP, but that's bull. There are maybe a tiny handful of actually gifted kids in either of my AAP kids' grades.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2024 09:39     Subject: Do they count iready scores now?
Anonymous wrote:My kid was accepted to AAP with iReady scores in the 60's. It's actually what tipped us off to their ADHD, but they were diagnosed after the packet was sent in. All other testing was high (and the WISC they gave them confirmed giftedness, but again that wasn't in the packet).

In other words, it won't sink your application.


Was she admitted this year? Because it might have sunk her application this year.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2024 09:13     Subject: Do they count iready scores now?
My kid was accepted to AAP with iReady scores in the 60's. It's actually what tipped us off to their ADHD, but they were diagnosed after the packet was sent in. All other testing was high (and the WISC they gave them confirmed giftedness, but again that wasn't in the packet).

In other words, it won't sink your application.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2024 08:05     Subject: Do they count iready scores now?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Agreed if the student is getting 135+ on the CoGAT, they should be getting 99% on the iready. Anything below a 95% is suspicious, and anything below 90% signals prepping. If the HOPE scores are more in line with 90%tile than 99%tile, then I can see why the selection committee would reject.
What's wrong with a 90th percentile HOPE and iReady? More than 10 percent of FCPS students are in AAP


There is nothing wrong with a 90%tile iready, especially if it corresponds to a 90%tile HOPE and 90%tile grades. The question is, if those 3 things align and the CoGAT is 135+ (99%tile), which score is likely mismeasured? I hope you agree that it's the CoGAT.

Now, there's a separate question: should a 90%tile kid (Larla) be in AAP? At a school like Haycock, half the kids are at or above 90%tile. There are enough 90%tile kids in genED for Larla to be amongst her peers in genED.

Anonymous
Post 04/08/2024 07:10     Subject: Re:Do they count iready scores now?
That's 90% nationwide. With the intense focus and hyper competitive nature of northern Virginia, I'd think that we'd have ffx county's top 10% be significantly higher.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2024 02:01     Subject: Do they count iready scores now?
Anonymous wrote:Agreed if the student is getting 135+ on the CoGAT, they should be getting 99% on the iready. Anything below a 95% is suspicious, and anything below 90% signals prepping. If the HOPE scores are more in line with 90%tile than 99%tile, then I can see why the selection committee would reject.
What's wrong with a 90th percentile HOPE and iReady? More than 10 percent of FCPS students are in AAP
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2024 23:34     Subject: Do they count iready scores now?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Agreed if the student is getting 135+ on the CoGAT, they should be getting 99% on the iready. Anything below a 95% is suspicious, and anything below 90% signals prepping. If the HOPE scores are more in line with 90%tile than 99%tile, then I can see why the selection committee would reject.


Completely disagree here. COGAT and Iready are measuring different things.
COGAT is measuring general intelligence like an IQ test
and so the questions have nothing to do with what kids are learning in school. Iready, in contrast, is a way to check on comprehension and understanding of grade-level material.

Also, with any standardized test for young kids, it matters a lot how the kid happens to feel on the day the test is given. Thus, if someone has one bad score, I don't think you can assume one thing or another.

If the COGAT is measuring general intelligence like an IQ test, how come it is fairly easy to prep for?


One can "prep" for any test. Who says you can't prep for an IQ test? If an IQ test were the basis for entry into AAP, people would prep for it.

Notwithstanding the foregoing, even if anyone can "prep" for any test, it doesn't mean that anyone can get perfect scores on the COGAT or an IQ test. "Prep" just lets one perform to the best of one's ability (which could still be bad because one is inherently bad at a topic or a subject). I don't understand all the hate towards "prepping." Why shouldn't we reward people who work hard at something?

I am sympathetic towards people who dislike standardized testing because they don't think it's a precise measure of things and it's something that can be easily manipulated. However, if that is the standard, why hate on people who are trying to make the best of a flawed system by working hard?
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2024 23:17     Subject: Do they count iready scores now?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Agreed if the student is getting 135+ on the CoGAT, they should be getting 99% on the iready. Anything below a 95% is suspicious, and anything below 90% signals prepping. If the HOPE scores are more in line with 90%tile than 99%tile, then I can see why the selection committee would reject.


Completely disagree here. COGAT and Iready are measuring different things.
COGAT is measuring general intelligence like an IQ test
and so the questions have nothing to do with what kids are learning in school. Iready, in contrast, is a way to check on comprehension and understanding of grade-level material.

Also, with any standardized test for young kids, it matters a lot how the kid happens to feel on the day the test is given. Thus, if someone has one bad score, I don't think you can assume one thing or another.

If the COGAT is measuring general intelligence like an IQ test, how come it is fairly easy to prep for?
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2024 21:38     Subject: Do they count iready scores now?
Anonymous wrote:Agreed if the student is getting 135+ on the CoGAT, they should be getting 99% on the iready. Anything below a 95% is suspicious, and anything below 90% signals prepping. If the HOPE scores are more in line with 90%tile than 99%tile, then I can see why the selection committee would reject.


Completely disagree here. COGAT and Iready are measuring different things. COGAT is measuring general intelligence like an IQ test and so the questions have nothing to do with what kids are learning in school. Iready, in contrast, is a way to check on comprehension and understanding of grade-level material.

Also, with any standardized test for young kids, it matters a lot how the kid happens to feel on the day the test is given. Thus, if someone has one bad score, I don't think you can assume one thing or another.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2024 21:07     Subject: Do they count iready scores now?
Anonymous wrote:Agreed if the student is getting 135+ on the CoGAT, they should be getting 99% on the iready. Anything below a 95% is suspicious, and anything below 90% signals prepping. If the HOPE scores are more in line with 90%tile than 99%tile, then I can see why the selection committee would reject.


This makes sense to me. And if the iready really was just a bad metric for whatever reason for the kid, I'd imagine the HOPE and/or a teacher comment could easily account for it. But considering minimum grade level standards seem to align with about an 85 percentile iready, it seems reasonable to want AAP to be at grade level or above already before acceleration. And if there is an extenuating circumstance for not to be the case, that's why there are multiple inputs.



Anonymous
Post 04/07/2024 20:36     Subject: Do they count iready scores now?

I know parents who prepped. Fantastic scores and children didn’t understand the material and didn’t belong- don’t prepare for anything ever - just ruins lives.

Anonymous wrote:Agreed if the student is getting 135+ on the CoGAT, they should be getting 99% on the iready. Anything below a 95% is suspicious, and anything below 90% signals prepping. If the HOPE scores are more in line with 90%tile than 99%tile, then I can see why the selection committee would reject.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2024 20:35     Subject: Do they count iready scores now?
What qualifies you to say that? Years of experience teaching?



quote=Anonymous]And it’s ridiculous! IReady should not be used for AAP