If a team is only looking for 1 or 2 players that your version of a “poorly run tryout” works just fine.

in poorly run tryouts they don't mix kids up, so you have the current team and some kids who don't know anyone trying desperately to make an impression.

yes, Messi jr. will be fine in that scenario, but a kid with maybe good enough skills to be on the team won't show will enough to be noticed.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please why these ID sessions are taken place so early. The Spring season just started for most clubs and ID sessions have already taken place. Many players on our team are talking about how they've received offers for other team etc and it is having an impact on the team. Those same players are skipping our practices to practice with their new team.

Because if the coach makes you feel special you'll go with them and not tryout elsewhere. Early commitments tie kids down and give programs an IDEA of how many spots they have left to actually fill before tryouts.

Tryouts are a formality next to no one makes a top or second team by just showing up to tryouts. Those spots are filled already.

these are the facts. Unspoken facts if ur kid is a top player u get the bonus of telling coaches who not to pick…. Only the top players get to vote.

Players have been to blackball kids they know could take their spot or reduce their playing time and you will get the cliques. Players should never be involved in those decisions.

How do other kids blackball other kids? I mean a kid’s skills show up in practice and games.

that poster is partly right. Normally parents also have fingers n mouths in the blackballing. The cliques play themselves out on the field in the form of icing players and not passing. Good coaches
Course corrext… bad coaches let it play out and the strong eat the weak. Sometimes its not about playing time. Some kids are headcases or their parents are sideline drama which overshadows the kids god given talent. If top tier players say were not playing w X if u bring em… and parents paid dues up front. Coaches know parents can leave… lose 4 for 1? That will never happen. And coaches talk to their teams and other coaches to confirm the headaches.

No different from office drama leverage is leverage. And not every decision is black and white.

Welcome to behind the scenes… jealousy also plays into it.

Imo also agree they should get time off merit and practice. If ur kid is a strong willed independent thinker who speaks up to the coach they will WILL and out play their way to being s starter at ur club or another. If they as the kids say have that dog or wolf in em they will break through the cliques.

And a real club will put a winning record over clicks and forcing squares in circles. Bottom line the blackballs do happen but it seem imo to be a bit more complex than just mean kids being mean.

And this plays out all the way to the adult leagues lol.

Now
Bk to the slop

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please why these ID sessions are taken place so early. The Spring season just started for most clubs and ID sessions have already taken place. Many players on our team are talking about how they've received offers for other team etc and it is having an impact on the team. Those same players are skipping our practices to practice with their new team.

Because if the coach makes you feel special you'll go with them and not tryout elsewhere. Early commitments tie kids down and give programs an IDEA of how many spots they have left to actually fill before tryouts.

Tryouts are a formality next to no one makes a top or second team by just showing up to tryouts. Those spots are filled already.

these are the facts. Unspoken facts if ur kid is a top player u get the bonus of telling coaches who not to pick…. Only the top players get to vote.

Players have been to blackball kids they know could take their spot or reduce their playing time and you will get the cliques. Players should never be involved in those decisions.

How do other kids blackball other kids? I mean a kid’s skills show up in practice and games.

DP Come on. This happens all the time. Can’t show your skill if you don’t have the ball.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please why these ID sessions are taken place so early. The Spring season just started for most clubs and ID sessions have already taken place. Many players on our team are talking about how they've received offers for other team etc and it is having an impact on the team. Those same players are skipping our practices to practice with their new team.

Because if the coach makes you feel special you'll go with them and not tryout elsewhere. Early commitments tie kids down and give programs an IDEA of how many spots they have left to actually fill before tryouts.

Tryouts are a formality next to no one makes a top or second team by just showing up to tryouts. Those spots are filled already.

these are the facts. Unspoken facts if ur kid is a top player u get the bonus of telling coaches who not to pick…. Only the top players get to vote.

Players have been to blackball kids they know could take their spot or reduce their playing time and you will get the cliques. Players should never be involved in those decisions.

How do other kids blackball other kids? I mean a kid’s skills show up in practice and games.

It's not the kids it's the parents lol

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please why these ID sessions are taken place so early. The Spring season just started for most clubs and ID sessions have already taken place. Many players on our team are talking about how they've received offers for other team etc and it is having an impact on the team. Those same players are skipping our practices to practice with their new team.

Because if the coach makes you feel special you'll go with them and not tryout elsewhere. Early commitments tie kids down and give programs an IDEA of how many spots they have left to actually fill before tryouts.

Tryouts are a formality next to no one makes a top or second team by just showing up to tryouts. Those spots are filled already.

these are the facts. Unspoken facts if ur kid is a top player u get the bonus of telling coaches who not to pick…. Only the top players get to vote.

Players have been to blackball kids they know could take their spot or reduce their playing time and you will get the cliques. Players should never be involved in those decisions.

How do other kids blackball other kids? I mean a kid’s skills show up in practice and games.

^ that happened at our HS.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please why these ID sessions are taken place so early. The Spring season just started for most clubs and ID sessions have already taken place. Many players on our team are talking about how they've received offers for other team etc and it is having an impact on the team. Those same players are skipping our practices to practice with their new team.

Because if the coach makes you feel special you'll go with them and not tryout elsewhere. Early commitments tie kids down and give programs an IDEA of how many spots they have left to actually fill before tryouts.

Tryouts are a formality next to no one makes a top or second team by just showing up to tryouts. Those spots are filled already.

these are the facts. Unspoken facts if ur kid is a top player u get the bonus of telling coaches who not to pick…. Only the top players get to vote.

Players have been to blackball kids they know could take their spot or reduce their playing time and you will get the cliques. Players should never be involved in those decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please why these ID sessions are taken place so early. The Spring season just started for most clubs and ID sessions have already taken place. Many players on our team are talking about how they've received offers for other team etc and it is having an impact on the team. Those same players are skipping our practices to practice with their new team.

Because if the coach makes you feel special you'll go with them and not tryout elsewhere. Early commitments tie kids down and give programs an IDEA of how many spots they have left to actually fill before tryouts.

Tryouts are a formality next to no one makes a top or second team by just showing up to tryouts. Those spots are filled already.

these are the facts. Unspoken facts if ur kid is a top player u get the bonus of telling coaches who not to pick…. Only the top players get to vote.

Anonymous wrote:Can someone please why these ID sessions are taken place so early. The Spring season just started for most clubs and ID sessions have already taken place. Many players on our team are talking about how they've received offers for other team etc and it is having an impact on the team. Those same players are skipping our practices to practice with their new team.

Because if the coach makes you feel special you'll go with them and not tryout elsewhere. Early commitments tie kids down and give programs an IDEA of how many spots they have left to actually fill before tryouts.

Tryouts are a formality next to no one makes a top or second team by just showing up to tryouts. Those spots are filled already.

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Anonymous wrote:In ECNL it’s my understanding Virginia is the ONLY state with a March 1st ECNL club to ECNL club transfer opening date, when every other state has a May 1st transfer date. Does anyone know the real reason? Does it have to do with ECNL HQ being located in Virginia? Local club politics? Can Maryland ECNL players move to a Virginia ECNL club beginning March 1st but not the other way around?

In Virginia, the games are done for ECNL as of February (or early March). That's why they do them so early. This is because public high school soccer is in spring (Maryland is in Fall). It's not just VA--but other states are like this as well.

ECNL schedules so that VA teams have majority of their games in Fall/Winter.

That might be part of it but HS soccer being in the spring and ID sessions isn't making them put their ID sessions so early, its more to compete for players early to fill their rosters. Put the sessions out in March earlier than a lot of other VA clubs that don't participate in ECNL, market them as early as January/February, create the FOMO, reap the rewards.

Anonymous wrote:In ECNL it’s my understanding Virginia is the ONLY state with a March 1st ECNL club to ECNL club transfer opening date, when every other state has a May 1st transfer date. Does anyone know the real reason? Does it have to do with ECNL HQ being located in Virginia? Local club politics? Can Maryland ECNL players move to a Virginia ECNL club beginning March 1st but not the other way around?

In Virginia, the games are done for ECNL as of February (or early March). That's why they do them so early. This is because public high school soccer is in spring (Maryland is in Fall). It's not just VA--but other states are like this as well.

ECNL schedules so that VA teams have majority of their games in Fall/Winter.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid plays HS soccer in the Fall.

By HS, all of the boys are at HS practices and games in VA so nobody is at practice---just a small mixed group that aren't playing HS or have a Fall private school season/or come from MD.

It's not an issue by 9th in ECNL because most games are over.

What do you do for fall club/HS schedule? Is it just up to the coaches which you attend or do you double up?

My oldest quit HS after sophomore year and went to MLSNext. Too hard to juggle demands of HS coach, too much injury/poor play and not enough hours in the day for straight As with lots of AP courses in the most important junior year. MLSnext schedule was easy to balance with school. Get home at 3pm. Practice 7:30-9pm. Predictable. Weekend games. HS was all over the board 5-6 days per week and sometimes would arrive at school at 7am and not get home until 10pm (and was supposed to be juggling Club too). It is just not healthy. High risk of injury.

Younger one is quitting HS soccer at same time--but an ECNL player. Fall season is the most important time for VA club and his HS is Fall season.

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Anonymous wrote:In ECNL it’s my understanding Virginia is the ONLY state with a March 1st ECNL club to ECNL club transfer opening date, when every other state has a May 1st transfer date. Does anyone know the real reason? Does it have to do with ECNL HQ being located in Virginia? Local club politics? Can Maryland ECNL players move to a Virginia ECNL club beginning March 1st but not the other way around?

POLITICS! A couple of clubs that are underperforming and can’t get the best of their players, to keep up marketing themselves as some of the better ECNL clubs they recruit talent from neighborhood clubs.

Please elaborate.

https://vsaonline.org/former-virginia-premier-league-to-become-newest-ecnl-regional-league

We all have to keep in mind that what is going on now hasn't been going on for that long in the big picture.

ECNL and USCS are relatively new to the game changing what was around for years under a more team based model to a more club based model. When you do things like that and prioritize clubs as a whole vs individual teams you get what we have now. Clubs that market themselves to try to shore their entire club as a whole and poaching players to try to improve their club as a whole. And now here we are and is anything really that much more different? Are there any fully dominant clubs? There aren't. There are still pockets of individual teams that are strong in a huge sea of competition watering things down.

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Anonymous wrote:In ECNL it’s my understanding Virginia is the ONLY state with a March 1st ECNL club to ECNL club transfer opening date, when every other state has a May 1st transfer date. Does anyone know the real reason? Does it have to do with ECNL HQ being located in Virginia? Local club politics? Can Maryland ECNL players move to a Virginia ECNL club beginning March 1st but not the other way around?

POLITICS! A couple of clubs that are underperforming and can’t get the best of their players, to keep up marketing themselves as some of the better ECNL clubs they recruit talent from neighborhood clubs.

Please elaborate.