Anonymous
Post 03/16/2024 10:04     Subject: Substitute bait-and-switch
Our ES did this last year all the time. We had a 6th grader AAP teacher who was retiring and burning through saved up leave. She had a smaller and well-behaved class. The school would post for a sub for that class, which was a good gig, and then redeploy the sub to a special ed class or much more behaviorally difficult class, and then have the AAP class move into another 6th grade class for the day OR sit out in the pod with minimal supervision. They did this all year.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2024 09:59     Subject: Substitute bait-and-switch
I don’t blame you for not wanting to do this but it isn’t demeaning. Do you look down on the people who monitor the cafeterias? Probably not.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2024 09:54     Subject: Substitute bait-and-switch
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
They pay you, right? If they sent you home, would they still pay you? For having showed up in the morning, paid for childcare and cleared your day?

I scrubbed tables, swept, cleaned up, wipes noses, when I volunteered for the PTA (when you organize entire events, sometimes you have to do that). I have two graduate degrees. No work is demeaning.

I think part of the work of a sub is to be placed where the need is, but maybe I'm not fully understanding the situation.



Although I agree with this, I think she is upset that they did not call to inform her she was no longer needed for the position she signed up, and given her the choice to optionally come in for different duties. She didn’t sign up to work for cafeteria duty. I believe subs have a choice of what they signup for before going in.

Some subs do not do it for money and they don’t need to money. They do it because they enjoy subbing in certain areas of interest.


PP you replied. This makes sense.

To the others who replied nastily to my post, wow, I struck a nerve. Have a great day!



Well yes, when you say borderline awful things, you do usually strike a nerve. Now you know.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2024 09:49     Subject: Substitute bait-and-switch
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
They pay you, right? If they sent you home, would they still pay you? For having showed up in the morning, paid for childcare and cleared your day?

I scrubbed tables, swept, cleaned up, wipes noses, when I volunteered for the PTA (when you organize entire events, sometimes you have to do that). I have two graduate degrees. No work is demeaning.

I think part of the work of a sub is to be placed where the need is, but maybe I'm not fully understanding the situation.



Although I agree with this, I think she is upset that they did not call to inform her she was no longer needed for the position she signed up, and given her the choice to optionally come in for different duties. She didn’t sign up to work for cafeteria duty. I believe subs have a choice of what they signup for before going in.

Some subs do not do it for money and they don’t need to money. They do it because they enjoy subbing in certain areas of interest.


PP you replied. This makes sense.

To the others who replied nastily to my post, wow, I struck a nerve. Have a great day!

Anonymous
Post 03/16/2024 09:48     Subject: Substitute bait-and-switch
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
They pay you, right? If they sent you home, would they still pay you? For having showed up in the morning, paid for childcare and cleared your day?

I scrubbed tables, swept, cleaned up, wipes noses, when I volunteered for the PTA (when you organize entire events, sometimes you have to do that). I have two graduate degrees. No work is demeaning.

I think part of the work of a sub is to be placed where the need is, but maybe I'm not fully understanding the situation.



Although I agree with this, I think she is upset that they did not call to inform her she was no longer needed for the position she signed up, and given her the choice to optionally come in for different duties. She didn’t sign up to work for cafeteria duty. I believe subs have a choice of what they signup for before going in.

Some subs do not do it for money and they don’t need to money. They do it because they enjoy subbing in certain areas of interest.


When I was a SAHM with kids in school, I subbed a few times a week to feel less guilty about paying someone to clean my home when in theory I should have even the one doing it. I’m really good at helping kids learn and I’m terrible at cleaning. I’d be so irritated if I was in OP’s shoes.

But also you shouldn’t have to do a job that’s completely different from the one you signed up for. Nobody should. It’s a little degrading to say “you’re getting paid, you’ll do what I want regardless of what you understood the job to be.”
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2024 09:47     Subject: Substitute bait-and-switch
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
They pay you, right? If they sent you home, would they still pay you? For having showed up in the morning, paid for childcare and cleared your day?

I scrubbed tables, swept, cleaned up, wipes noses, when I volunteered for the PTA (when you organize entire events, sometimes you have to do that). I have two graduate degrees. No work is demeaning.

I think part of the work of a sub is to be placed where the need is, but maybe I'm not fully understanding the situation.



What if you went into work and your supervisor said “hey our custodian called in sick, we need you to clean toilets. Don’t worry, you’ll still get paid.”

Nothing wrong with cleaning toilets (in fact one of my favorite jobs was when I was a custodian in college) but jobs are not interchangeable based on need.


Plus that they paid you as if you were doing filing for them the way you expected you would be, not that you’re paid as if you have two graduate degrees and need to be a janitor for one day. And that they could make you janitor at any time in the future again without notice “based on need”.

Absolutely zero chance the PP would really be fine with any of this if it really happened to her.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2024 09:47     Subject: Substitute bait-and-switch
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
They pay you, right? If they sent you home, would they still pay you? For having showed up in the morning, paid for childcare and cleared your day?

I scrubbed tables, swept, cleaned up, wipes noses, when I volunteered for the PTA (when you organize entire events, sometimes you have to do that). I have two graduate degrees. No work is demeaning.

I think part of the work of a sub is to be placed where the need is, but maybe I'm not fully understanding the situation.



What if you went into work and your supervisor said “hey our custodian called in sick, we need you to clean toilets. Don’t worry, you’ll still get paid.”

Nothing wrong with cleaning toilets (in fact one of my favorite jobs was when I was a custodian in college) but jobs are not interchangeable based on need.


THIS!!!!
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2024 09:44     Subject: Substitute bait-and-switch
Anonymous wrote:
They pay you, right? If they sent you home, would they still pay you? For having showed up in the morning, paid for childcare and cleared your day?

I scrubbed tables, swept, cleaned up, wipes noses, when I volunteered for the PTA (when you organize entire events, sometimes you have to do that). I have two graduate degrees. No work is demeaning.

I think part of the work of a sub is to be placed where the need is, but maybe I'm not fully understanding the situation.




You clearly don’t do I’m not sure why you felt the need to comment—maybe it’s been a few days since you got special attention for having TWO MASTERS DEGREES and you just felt the need to tell someone how smart you are.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2024 09:43     Subject: Substitute bait-and-switch
Regarding the loudness of the cafeteria- try loop earplugs!! I use them. You can still carry on conversations, it just takes the total decimal down and drowns out excess noise.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2024 09:43     Subject: Substitute bait-and-switch
I’d like to say I would have just left but in that situation I probably would have stayed too because of the awkwardness. I wouldn’t want to look difficult and like I was above taking care of the lunchroom. But I sure wouldn’t go back! There are other places you can sub at right?

For what it’s worth, at the school where I sub, if they wind up not needing me they send home and pay me anyway. My sub coordinator is unusually awesome but I think yours is unusually crappy.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2024 09:42     Subject: Substitute bait-and-switch
Anonymous wrote:
They pay you, right? If they sent you home, would they still pay you? For having showed up in the morning, paid for childcare and cleared your day?

I scrubbed tables, swept, cleaned up, wipes noses, when I volunteered for the PTA (when you organize entire events, sometimes you have to do that). I have two graduate degrees. No work is demeaning.

I think part of the work of a sub is to be placed where the need is, but maybe I'm not fully understanding the situation.



You volunteered because your kid(s) benefit from it, not because you’re such a good person
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2024 09:40     Subject: Substitute bait-and-switch
Anonymous wrote:
They pay you, right? If they sent you home, would they still pay you? For having showed up in the morning, paid for childcare and cleared your day?

I scrubbed tables, swept, cleaned up, wipes noses, when I volunteered for the PTA (when you organize entire events, sometimes you have to do that). I have two graduate degrees. No work is demeaning.

I think part of the work of a sub is to be placed where the need is, but maybe I'm not fully understanding the situation.



Although I agree with this, I think she is upset that they did not call to inform her she was no longer needed for the position she signed up, and given her the choice to optionally come in for different duties. She didn’t sign up to work for cafeteria duty. I believe subs have a choice of what they signup for before going in.

Some subs do not do it for money and they don’t need to money. They do it because they enjoy subbing in certain areas of interest.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2024 09:40     Subject: Substitute bait-and-switch
Anonymous wrote:
They pay you, right? If they sent you home, would they still pay you? For having showed up in the morning, paid for childcare and cleared your day?

I scrubbed tables, swept, cleaned up, wipes noses, when I volunteered for the PTA (when you organize entire events, sometimes you have to do that). I have two graduate degrees. No work is demeaning.

I think part of the work of a sub is to be placed where the need is, but maybe I'm not fully understanding the situation.



What if you went into work and your supervisor said “hey our custodian called in sick, we need you to clean toilets. Don’t worry, you’ll still get paid.”

Nothing wrong with cleaning toilets (in fact one of my favorite jobs was when I was a custodian in college) but jobs are not interchangeable based on need.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2024 09:37     Subject: Substitute bait-and-switch
Anonymous wrote:
They pay you, right? If they sent you home, would they still pay you? For having showed up in the morning, paid for childcare and cleared your day?

I scrubbed tables, swept, cleaned up, wipes noses, when I volunteered for the PTA (when you organize entire events, sometimes you have to do that). I have two graduate degrees. No work is demeaning.

I think part of the work of a sub is to be placed where the need is, but maybe I'm not fully understanding the situation.



You are incorrect. They are not volunteering for a PTA event. Sit down.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2024 09:34     Subject: Substitute bait-and-switch
Anonymous wrote:Sounds like they found someone else to cover the 3rd grade teacher but needed support to cover teachers going to IEP meetings or other requirements in the school that took them away from their classrooms. I'm sorry, OP. That sounds frustrating. I'm in MS admin and it's been a daily struggle to find coverage for the staff that is out constantly -- we have to beg, then pay, teachers during their planning periods to cover other teachers who are out and have not been able to secure a sub for the day. It's very hard to schedule meetings during the day as well because there's no one to cover the class rooms. That having been said, your ES Admin Ofc should have been more forthcoming with WHY they switched you, at least it might not have been so annoying and now they risk losing you because you don't want to go back into that sort of chaotic environment.


ES office staff are terrible with transparency. I've encountered a lot of disrespectful people working in these offices-if you are unhappy with your job/school I'm sorry... but stop taking it out on everyone(especially subs) who walks in. ES seems really chaotic....maybe these people are just exhausted and moving through the motions-but stop acting like subs and staff are expendable!