Anonymous
03/06/2024 12:21
Subject: Highest average SAT scores post-covid of the top 35 colleges as we evolve into a more test required environment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does US News use some proprietary data to calculate the average? How does it know everyone's score? The average that it uses in its list is different than what one would expect from the common data sets which show the 25th and 75th percentile. But somehow US News knows the scores themselves?
It isn't surprising you won't see UVA on the list. I'm sure the average scores of those in the 25th percentile are pretty low considering they take in kids from all the counties.
Same thing for Michigan and North Carolina. On average those schools are going to have a much lower SAT average than the private schools.
The article states that colleges reported the data to USNews via the annual survey.
Too bad that US News doesn't provide the average for all schools. I wonder why they limit it to only the top 35? Between national universities and selective liberal arts schools they have left out an awful lot of schools that we don't know the averages of.
Johns Hopkins, William and Mary, Georgetown, UVA, UNC, Georgia Tech, etc.
Anonymous
03/06/2024 12:14
Subject: Highest average SAT scores post-covid of the top 35 colleges as we evolve into a more test required environment
Anonymous wrote:Does US News use some proprietary data to calculate the average? How does it know everyone's score? The average that it uses in its list is different than what one would expect from the common data sets which show the 25th and 75th percentile. But somehow US News knows the scores themselves?
It isn't surprising you won't see UVA on the list. I'm sure the average scores of those in the 25th percentile are pretty low considering they take in kids from all the counties.
Same thing for Michigan and North Carolina. On average those schools are going to have a much lower SAT average than the private schools.
The article states that colleges reported the data to USNews via the annual survey.
Anonymous
03/06/2024 12:06
Subject: Highest average SAT scores post-covid of the top 35 colleges as we evolve into a more test required environment
Does US News use some proprietary data to calculate the average? How does it know everyone's score? The average that it uses in its list is different than what one would expect from the common data sets which show the 25th and 75th percentile. But somehow US News knows the scores themselves?
It isn't surprising you won't see UVA on the list. I'm sure the average scores of those in the 25th percentile are pretty low considering they take in kids from all the counties.
Same thing for Michigan and North Carolina. On average those schools are going to have a much lower SAT average than the private schools.
It isn't surprising you won't see UVA on the list. I'm sure the average scores of those in the 25th percentile are pretty low considering they take in kids from all the counties.
Same thing for Michigan and North Carolina. On average those schools are going to have a much lower SAT average than the private schools.
Anonymous
03/06/2024 11:42
Subject: Highest average SAT scores post-covid of the top 35 colleges as we evolve into a more test required environment
PP meant to say, lower than the media. UMD probably has an average of just north of 1400
Anonymous
03/06/2024 11:41
Subject: Highest average SAT scores post-covid of the top 35 colleges as we evolve into a more test required environment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Where is UVA booster?
They would just say that SATs don't mean much and that UVA produced the most Rhodes scholar.
No, she would point out that UVA’s mean is 1470 and that it is inexplicably missing from the list. She would also note that several other top-ranked schools are missing as well.
UMD median score is 1445, not that much different to UVA. But since both are TO, it doesn't mean that much.
USNews takes the average. That is much much different and lowe than the average.
Anonymous
03/06/2024 10:21
Subject: Highest average SAT scores post-covid of the top 35 colleges as we evolve into a more test required environment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Where is UVA booster?
They would just say that SATs don't mean much and that UVA produced the most Rhodes scholar.
No, she would point out that UVA’s mean is 1470 and that it is inexplicably missing from the list. She would also note that several other top-ranked schools are missing as well.
UMD median score is 1445, not that much different to UVA. But since both are TO, it doesn't mean that much.
Anonymous
03/06/2024 10:11
Subject: Highest average SAT scores post-covid of the top 35 colleges as we evolve into a more test required environment
Anonymous wrote:Maybe a week or so ago someone on DCUM posted the pre covid average SATs for the top 50 or so schools. MIT & Cal Tech were the only two that broke 1500.
That makes sense. I would guess that almost every student scores at least 780 or above on Math, leaving "only" 720 for Reading. It would also reaffirm that scores in the 1500's are great scores and should provide a boost to any applicant at any school. It won't be the final word, but it certainly would be a net positive for the applicant.
Anonymous
03/06/2024 09:14
Subject: Highest average SAT scores post-covid of the top 35 colleges as we evolve into a more test required environment
It does look like Columbia got punished for lying about their numbers. As for Johns Hopkins, I thought for sure it would be on the list.
Georgetown being test mandatory is the reason it isn't on the list. Next few years it will reappear as more schools become test mandatory.
Georgetown being test mandatory is the reason it isn't on the list. Next few years it will reappear as more schools become test mandatory.
Anonymous
03/06/2024 08:55
Subject: Highest average SAT scores post-covid of the top 35 colleges as we evolve into a more test required environment
Interesting. Thanks for posting.
Anonymous
03/06/2024 08:41
Subject: Re:Highest average SAT scores post-covid of the top 35 colleges as we evolve into a more test required environment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NYU mid was 1440 in 2019. Big difference!
You can see what TO has done with NYU. Since they take such a large percentage TO, only the top scorers submit. Since only the top scorers submit, the average goes up. Only 32% sumbitted test scores in 2021-2022. I guess you might say that NYU has gamed the SAT score game.
They also only report 75% of the Freshman class.
Anonymous
03/06/2024 08:39
Subject: Highest average SAT scores post-covid of the top 35 colleges as we evolve into a more test required environment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Where is UVA booster?
They would just say that SATs don't mean much and that UVA produced the most Rhodes scholar.
No, she would point out that UVA’s mean is 1470 and that it is inexplicably missing from the list. She would also note that several other top-ranked schools are missing as well.
And they - and anyone really - could just add schools to the list.
Or sit back and criticize the person who did all the work.
Anonymous
03/06/2024 08:36
Subject: Highest average SAT scores post-covid of the top 35 colleges as we evolve into a more test required environment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Where is UVA booster?
They would just say that SATs don't mean much and that UVA produced the most Rhodes scholar.
No, she would point out that UVA’s mean is 1470 and that it is inexplicably missing from the list. She would also note that several other top-ranked schools are missing as well.
Anonymous
03/06/2024 08:08
Subject: Highest average SAT scores post-covid of the top 35 colleges as we evolve into a more test required environment
I’m super confused. I didn’t see Columbia in the list, so checked out their CDS, which says 50th % was 1540 (with 48% of admitted students submitting SAT). Are they knocked off the list bc of the USNWR rankings-fudging fiasco? These numbers are unrelated to that so seems misleading to exclude or at least drop a note that it wasn’t considered? Not at top of my kids list but noticed it wasn’t there.
Anonymous
03/06/2024 08:01
Subject: Highest average SAT scores post-covid of the top 35 colleges as we evolve into a more test required environment
Anonymous wrote:
Where is UVA booster?
They would just say that SATs don't mean much and that UVA produced the most Rhodes scholar.
Anonymous
03/06/2024 07:03
Subject: Highest average SAT scores post-covid of the top 35 colleges as we evolve into a more test required environment
Anonymous wrote:This data is from US News. MIT is the only one test required for this data cycle. Show in the percentage submitting the SAT OR ACT (with the understanding that some might submit both). Since US News curiated the data from the 2022-2023 cycle, that year's data is used for the submission percentage.
Not a lot of surprises. There were a couple of schools who saw the submittal rate drop fairly decently from year to year, including Pomona and Swarthmore
1. UChicago 1545 [unknown how many submit an SAT or ACT as it hasn't published a Common Data Set since the 2021-2022 cycle at which time it was 84%]
2. MIT 1543 Test mandatory
3. Dartmouth 1528 * Its 2023-2024 Common Data set did not publish any SAT data
4. WashU 1527 [60% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score]
5. Penn 1527 [71% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score]
6. Stanford 1527 [72% submitted in 2022-2023, 69% submitted in 2023-2024)
7. Princeton 1526 [85% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score]
8. Yale 1524 [88% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score]
9. Carnegie Mellon 1521 [70% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score]
10. Harvard 1520 [83% sumbitted an SAT and/or ACT score]
11. Brown 1517 [81% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score]
12. Olin College of Engineering 1515 [72% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score]
13. Northwestern 1514 [78% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score]
14. Williams 1513 [62% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score]
15. Harvey Mudd 1510 [60% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2022-2023; 68% submitted an SAT/ACT score in 2023-2024]
16. Pomona 1507 [53% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2022-2023; 44% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2023-2024]
17. Cornell 1505 [60% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2022-23; 56% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2023-2024]
18. Barnard 1505 [52% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2022-2023]
19. NYU 1504 [37% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2022-2023]
20. Amhertst 1503 [61% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2022-2023; 55% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2023-204]
22. Haverford 1500 [62% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2022-2023]
22. Swarthmore 1495 [61% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2022-2023; 54% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2023-2024]
23. Tufts 1494 [56% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2022-2023]
24. USC 1490 [50% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2022-2023]
25. Claremont McKenna 1490 [45% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2022-2023; 45% submitted in 2023-2024]
26. Northeastern 1487 [44% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2022-2023]
27. Wesleyan 1485 [76% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2022-2023][list]
28. Colby College 1485 [couldn't find the CDS]
29. Boston College 1481 [Not published for 2022-2023]
30. Vassar College 1477 [48% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2022-2023]
31. Hamilton College 1477 [44% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2022-2023; 50% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2023-2024]
32. Carlton College 1477 [64% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2022-2023]
33. Wellesley College 1475 [61% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2022-2023; 59% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2023-2024]
34. Washington & Lee 1470 [54% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2022-2023; 52% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2023-2024]
35. Middlebury 1467 [49% submitted an SAT and/or ACT score in 2022-2023]
Where is UVA booster?