Anonymous
Post 02/29/2024 19:42     Subject: National board certified teachers
Anonymous wrote:NCBT is definitely for mid career teachers with years of experience. Hard to imagine younger teacher doing it and would take a really good writer to BS through it. The videos you record have to record can also validate your experience.

I am an advocate for it because it is the best PD experience any teacher can have to improve and reflect on their craft. It separates the disciplined teachers from the non discipline. My cohort in my district are super experience and smart. The process is rigorous BUT FLEXIBLE. Teachers have up to 5 years to determine how many components to do each year. In MD, the blueprint for education that was previously passed offered NBCT teachers an addition 10000k, up to 22000k in higher needs district. MD recognizes higher teaching standards and incentivizes teachers to reach them.

Lastly the success of National Board, which has not been mention is this forum yet. It is a model for teacher evaluation. Many districts nationwide has shifted towards a FFT model to evaluate teachers. FFT drew inspiration from NBCT. This model is a water down version of the NBCT imo.



It separates the disciplined teachers from the non-disciplined teachers? Seriously, shut up. Second, your grammar and writing is AWFUL. If someone wants to do National Boards, great. It's a long, tedious, and difficult process that often produces good things. But teaching is hard as heck. Adding on more things, and knowing that not every state pays out as much as some do, is a big ask and has nothing to do with how disciplined one is. How long have you been teaching? Ten, twelve years? That's nothing. Talk to me in another 20.
Anonymous
Post 02/29/2024 18:48     Subject: National board certified teachers
Anonymous wrote:Teachers are so lazy in this thread. JC.


That’s your takeaway? That overworked teachers who would rather put their efforts toward their students rather than themselves are… lazy?
Anonymous
Post 02/29/2024 16:52     Subject: National board certified teachers
Teachers are so lazy in this thread. JC.
Anonymous
Post 02/29/2024 16:49     Subject: National board certified teachers
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That additional annual 10k and recurring by the way. One of the most generous package compared to other states. If I was a teacher and confident about my teaching, I would do it.


And that’s the problem.

You also get teachers who want the pay, not necessarily teachers who want the reflective opportunities. Good teachers regularly reflect, so they don’t necessarily need the state to tell them how.

It’s simply too much work for some teachers who would rather do their jobs and the pay isn’t incentivizing enough.



I look at it this way. In academia, there are always to going to be top and bottom students. The top ones take harder classes like AP, put in more work, have a camaraderie amongst their peers, manage their time with clubs and sports, and seek to have better outcomes of their effort. NBCT is like the AP for teachers. They are going to put more effort, manage their time, and will want to have better outcome. 10k yearly isn't enough for you but for many others it's a lot.

Some students don't pass AP as some teachers do not pass NBCT. Those that pass finds it rewarding for their endeavor.


This is such a ridiculous post. I have a doctorate in my content area from an Ivy. I don’t feel like jumping through all the hoops for NBCT certification because I have kids at home and planning/grading for my AP + other classes already takes up a lot of my time. Guess I’m a sub-par teacher in your book.
Anonymous
Post 02/29/2024 15:18     Subject: National board certified teachers
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That additional annual 10k and recurring by the way. One of the most generous package compared to other states. If I was a teacher and confident about my teaching, I would do it.


And that’s the problem.

You also get teachers who want the pay, not necessarily teachers who want the reflective opportunities. Good teachers regularly reflect, so they don’t necessarily need the state to tell them how.

It’s simply too much work for some teachers who would rather do their jobs and the pay isn’t incentivizing enough.



I look at it this way. In academia, there are always to going to be top and bottom students. The top ones take harder classes like AP, put in more work, have a camaraderie amongst their peers, manage their time with clubs and sports, and seek to have better outcomes of their effort. NBCT is like the AP for teachers. They are going to put more effort, manage their time, and will want to have better outcome. 10k yearly isn't enough for you but for many others it's a lot.

Some students don't pass AP as some teachers do not pass NBCT. Those that pass finds it rewarding for their endeavor.


False equivalency. I hope you aren’t a teacher trying to “mansplain” this. Doing more work absolutely doesn’t mean teachers will be become better teachers just as AP students might not actually pass a real college class.
Anonymous
Post 02/29/2024 13:30     Subject: National board certified teachers
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That additional annual 10k and recurring by the way. One of the most generous package compared to other states. If I was a teacher and confident about my teaching, I would do it.


And that’s the problem.

You also get teachers who want the pay, not necessarily teachers who want the reflective opportunities. Good teachers regularly reflect, so they don’t necessarily need the state to tell them how.

It’s simply too much work for some teachers who would rather do their jobs and the pay isn’t incentivizing enough.



I look at it this way. In academia, there are always to going to be top and bottom students. The top ones take harder classes like AP, put in more work, have a camaraderie amongst their peers, manage their time with clubs and sports, and seek to have better outcomes of their effort. NBCT is like the AP for teachers. They are going to put more effort, manage their time, and will want to have better outcome. 10k yearly isn't enough for you but for many others it's a lot.

Some students don't pass AP as some teachers do not pass NBCT. Those that pass finds it rewarding for their endeavor.


What if I choose to be “AP” by putting my effort into things that benefit my students, like additional trainings each summer? IB certification? Sped certification? Curriculum writing? Peer mentoring?

That’s what I’ve done. I don’t personally feel I need NBCT to tell me what I already know: I’m very good at what I do.

That gets back to a point I posted earlier: NBCT can’t tell you whether a teacher is strong or not. Too many variables.
Anonymous
Post 02/29/2024 12:35     Subject: National board certified teachers
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That additional annual 10k and recurring by the way. One of the most generous package compared to other states. If I was a teacher and confident about my teaching, I would do it.


And that’s the problem.

You also get teachers who want the pay, not necessarily teachers who want the reflective opportunities. Good teachers regularly reflect, so they don’t necessarily need the state to tell them how.

It’s simply too much work for some teachers who would rather do their jobs and the pay isn’t incentivizing enough.



I look at it this way. In academia, there are always to going to be top and bottom students. The top ones take harder classes like AP, put in more work, have a camaraderie amongst their peers, manage their time with clubs and sports, and seek to have better outcomes of their effort. NBCT is like the AP for teachers. They are going to put more effort, manage their time, and will want to have better outcome. 10k yearly isn't enough for you but for many others it's a lot.

Some students don't pass AP as some teachers do not pass NBCT. Those that pass finds it rewarding for their endeavor.
Anonymous
Post 02/29/2024 11:28     Subject: National board certified teachers
Anonymous wrote:At my school teachers that are five years out from retirement are focused on it. They often don’t have school aged children now so they have a bit more time. Since it will help raise the pension, they want the extra pay bump for the last five years of salary.


By that time in their career, many are burnt to try to get certified. See more younger teachers going for certification for pay boost and/or to use to go elsewhere in field where they can get higher starting salary, e.g. teacher to designing curriculum
Anonymous
Post 02/29/2024 11:10     Subject: National board certified teachers
At my school teachers that are five years out from retirement are focused on it. They often don’t have school aged children now so they have a bit more time. Since it will help raise the pension, they want the extra pay bump for the last five years of salary.
Anonymous
Post 02/29/2024 10:59     Subject: National board certified teachers
Anonymous wrote:That additional annual 10k and recurring by the way. One of the most generous package compared to other states. If I was a teacher and confident about my teaching, I would do it.


And that’s the problem.

You also get teachers who want the pay, not necessarily teachers who want the reflective opportunities. Good teachers regularly reflect, so they don’t necessarily need the state to tell them how.

It’s simply too much work for some teachers who would rather do their jobs and the pay isn’t incentivizing enough.
Anonymous
Post 02/29/2024 09:39     Subject: National board certified teachers
That additional annual 10k and recurring by the way. One of the most generous package compared to other states. If I was a teacher and confident about my teaching, I would do it.
Anonymous
Post 02/29/2024 08:44     Subject: National board certified teachers
NCBT is definitely for mid career teachers with years of experience. Hard to imagine younger teacher doing it and would take a really good writer to BS through it. The videos you record have to record can also validate your experience.

I am an advocate for it because it is the best PD experience any teacher can have to improve and reflect on their craft. It separates the disciplined teachers from the non discipline. My cohort in my district are super experience and smart. The process is rigorous BUT FLEXIBLE. Teachers have up to 5 years to determine how many components to do each year. In MD, the blueprint for education that was previously passed offered NBCT teachers an addition 10000k, up to 22000k in higher needs district. MD recognizes higher teaching standards and incentivizes teachers to reach them.

Lastly the success of National Board, which has not been mention is this forum yet. It is a model for teacher evaluation. Many districts nationwide has shifted towards a FFT model to evaluate teachers. FFT drew inspiration from NBCT. This model is a water down version of the NBCT imo.

Anonymous
Post 02/29/2024 08:07     Subject: National board certified teachers
Anonymous wrote:I was surprised by the flood of emails teachers received from NBCT encouraging us to apply. It felt like spam because they were emailing so much. And then they lowered the bar and said you can apply to be board certified after only 3 years of teaching. Seriously? It took me 5 years of teaching to feel fully confident that I was a good teacher.


Same here! My mentor teacher told me I’d hit my stride between years 5-8. I’d say it was year 6 for me.

The idea of being a model teacher at year 3? Really, really hard to imagine.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2024 20:51     Subject: National board certified teachers
I was surprised by the flood of emails teachers received from NBCT encouraging us to apply. It felt like spam because they were emailing so much. And then they lowered the bar and said you can apply to be board certified after only 3 years of teaching. Seriously? It took me 5 years of teaching to feel fully confident that I was a good teacher.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2024 16:59     Subject: National board certified teachers
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Teachers do it for the increased prestige and pay bump. Teachers who want to improve generally know what they need to do or how to go about it. NBCT seems overkill from that point of view


+1 agree as a teacher! I have no desire to go through that process. I don’t know how they the time!



The lengthy process knocks out a lot of good teachers who need to devote their time to teaching, not writing about teaching.

If you want to see how I teach, come unannounced on a random Tuesday and again the following Thursday. Pull me aside and ask me, on the spot and with no preparation, about my teaching philosophy and how I live it within my classroom. Randomly poll my students.

Honestly, this would be a better glimpse into me as a teacher than a carefully curated portfolio.

I’d go for NBCT if this is how it was done.


Exactly. I was planning on going through the process as it makes sense on paper to improve upon your craft - until I found out how much work it is. What’s the benefit other than the pay? Do they want us to actually teach or just write about teaching? I can either be an effective teacher in the classroom actively reflecting on my process and philosophy and make appropriate changes to support my students OR I can spend that time writing and analyzing everything. I chose the former! I actually like teaching and would absolutely despise it if it had to compete that process. If they ever make it mandatory I bet we would see a large exodus. Only so much time in the day and we already are stretched with the daily requirements of the job.