Anonymous
02/22/2024 15:53
Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Anonymous wrote:Michigan is in a very different category than the top schools. It is a large public that serves the citizens of Michigan. It historically has lower SAT scores than the top schools. It isn't meant to be an elite college. Keeping TO is their attempt at reaffirming their identity.
You'll see the selective privates, based on data that SAT's predict performance, rely more on the SAT. The public colleges, UC's, Michigan, Purdue, Indiana, Penn State having a different mission will be test optional.
I think that this will serve to shunt more and more top kids with strong stats into the most selective schools, to the detriment of the publics at the top end.
Purdue is the only public school in the country that makes you submit ACT and SAT scores that isn’t influenced by the state legislature. Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee schools are required by law to require test scores.
Anonymous
02/22/2024 15:49
Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
This is so dumb. So the UCs and Michigan are basically using opposite tests optionally. UCs only take into AP scores but you don’t have to submit, and Michigan only takes into account SAT/ACT, but you don’t have to submit.
Anonymous
02/22/2024 15:39
Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Michigan is in a very different category than the top schools. It is a large public that serves the citizens of Michigan. It historically has lower SAT scores than the top schools. It isn't meant to be an elite college. Keeping TO is their attempt at reaffirming their identity.
You'll see the selective privates, based on data that SAT's predict performance, rely more on the SAT. The public colleges, UC's, Michigan, Purdue, Indiana, Penn State having a different mission will be test optional.
I think that this will serve to shunt more and more top kids with strong stats into the most selective schools, to the detriment of the publics at the top end.
You'll see the selective privates, based on data that SAT's predict performance, rely more on the SAT. The public colleges, UC's, Michigan, Purdue, Indiana, Penn State having a different mission will be test optional.
I think that this will serve to shunt more and more top kids with strong stats into the most selective schools, to the detriment of the publics at the top end.
Anonymous
02/22/2024 15:34
Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what do you guys think the rationale behind the no AP score change is?
Might be to push kids in roughly the 1400 range to submit SAT scores. Colleges are increasingly competing on “percent submitting” as well as averages. A kid with a 1420 and a bunch of 5s probably submits their APs when Michigan would rather have the SAT to keep up their profile.
My kid had a 32 ACT and didn't submit (maybe should have) but submitted AP scores this year. She was deferred.
They deferred almost everyone.
Agreed. The people I know who were accepted were accepted to specialized schools/programs like art and nursing. Most of the LSA applicants OOS that my child knows were deferred.
Anonymous
02/22/2024 15:33
Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Anonymous wrote:Wolverine grandparents count towards legacy just fyi
They are no longer considering legacy.
Anonymous
02/22/2024 15:31
Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Wolverine grandparents count towards legacy just fyi
Anonymous
02/22/2024 15:27
Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what do you guys think the rationale behind the no AP score change is?
Might be to push kids in roughly the 1400 range to submit SAT scores. Colleges are increasingly competing on “percent submitting” as well as averages. A kid with a 1420 and a bunch of 5s probably submits their APs when Michigan would rather have the SAT to keep up their profile.
My kid had a 32 ACT and didn't submit (maybe should have) but submitted AP scores this year. She was deferred.
They deferred almost everyone.
Anonymous
02/22/2024 15:26
Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what do you guys think the rationale behind the no AP score change is?
Might be to push kids in roughly the 1400 range to submit SAT scores. Colleges are increasingly competing on “percent submitting” as well as averages. A kid with a 1420 and a bunch of 5s probably submits their APs when Michigan would rather have the SAT to keep up their profile.
My kid had a 32 ACT and didn't submit (maybe should have) but submitted AP scores this year. She was deferred.
What was her uw gpa? And compared to peers?
4.0 UW
Anonymous
02/22/2024 15:23
Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what do you guys think the rationale behind the no AP score change is?
Might be to push kids in roughly the 1400 range to submit SAT scores. Colleges are increasingly competing on “percent submitting” as well as averages. A kid with a 1420 and a bunch of 5s probably submits their APs when Michigan would rather have the SAT to keep up their profile.
My kid had a 32 ACT and didn't submit (maybe should have) but submitted AP scores this year. She was deferred.
What was her uw gpa? And compared to peers?
Anonymous
02/22/2024 15:17
Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what do you guys think the rationale behind the no AP score change is?
Might be to push kids in roughly the 1400 range to submit SAT scores. Colleges are increasingly competing on “percent submitting” as well as averages. A kid with a 1420 and a bunch of 5s probably submits their APs when Michigan would rather have the SAT to keep up their profile.
My kid had a 32 ACT and didn't submit (maybe should have) but submitted AP scores this year. She was deferred.
Anonymous
02/22/2024 15:01
Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
I think Michigian being a huge public school has a different dynamic than the selective privates. Its SAT scores have historically been below other schools so this is their attempt at trying to keep up.
Anonymous
02/22/2024 14:41
Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
So the thinking is that kids from DCPS (for example) that take a half dozen APs but score 1-2 on each of them will now get in without impacting any data that Michigan collects?
Anonymous
02/22/2024 14:37
Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
University of Michigan has the largest university DEI staff in the country. This is theirs.
Anonymous
02/22/2024 14:33
Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Anonymous wrote:what do you guys think the rationale behind the no AP score change is?
Might be to push kids in roughly the 1400 range to submit SAT scores. Colleges are increasingly competing on “percent submitting” as well as averages. A kid with a 1420 and a bunch of 5s probably submits their APs when Michigan would rather have the SAT to keep up their profile.
Anonymous
02/22/2024 14:32
Subject: Michigan no longer considering AP scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what do you guys think the rationale behind the no AP score change is?
Equity. Or too much for their algorithm
Agree that it is about equity. Although Michigan has been under an affirmative action ban for many years due to the Michigan courts, so not sure why now.
Luckily DC, who had many APs with all 4s and 5s, applied before this development.