Anonymous
Post 02/20/2024 13:15     Subject: Re:Supreme Court Refuses to Take Up TJ Admissions
Can anyone provide a one sentence summary of the current, existing policy (left unchanged by the SCt I assume)?
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2024 13:14     Subject: Supreme Court Refuses to Take Up TJ Admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Even this Supreme Court (the one that just overturned affirmative action) didn’t think this was worth taking. That’s the end of Azra and Harry Jackson’s ridiculous quest. Bye!



You can't conclude that from a denial of a petition for writ of certiorari. The court can decide not to take an appeal for any number of reasons, including ripeness. Hundreds of certs. are denied every year.


DP... Ripeness? They literally JUST did Harvard and UNC. Roberts in his opinion warned against doing things indirectly that you couldn't do directly.

Conservatives have to be HOWLING that this wasn't taken up.


No, because most of them understand the chance of the case being heard was next to nil with the volume of cert petitions up there. All this means is that four justices didn't vote to take the case NOW. It could take a similar case a year from now or three years from now (goes to ripeness). .
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2024 13:13     Subject: Supreme Court Refuses to Take Up TJ Admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Even this Supreme Court (the one that just overturned affirmative action) didn’t think this was worth taking. That’s the end of Azra and Harry Jackson’s ridiculous quest. Bye!



You can't conclude that from a denial of a petition for writ of certiorari. The court can decide not to take an appeal for any number of reasons, including ripeness. Hundreds of certs. are denied every year.


That's literally the only thing you can conclude from a denial of a petition for writ of certiorari (i.e., that an insufficient number of justices thought the case was worth hearing).



Correct, 8,000 to 10,000 petitions are filed a year. Only 100 to 150 are heard. It takes four justices to vote "yes" to take a case. The fact that cert is denied is to be expected.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2024 13:12     Subject: Re:Supreme Court Refuses to Take Up TJ Admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Even so, the FCPS statement about the cert denial is cringe-inducing, as you might expect. They make it sound like TJ is now fully representative of FCPS communities and student demographics when that's anything but the case. But they moved the needle a bit, so of course you're going to get the likes of Karl Frisch patting himself incessantly on the back.

You are right about that. TJ needs to acknowledge the needs of its diverse demographics. As long as TJ lacks sports focus and fails to understand how sports is integral part of learning and personal development, we are not going anywhere near its vicinity. What they are really want our kids to turn into is nerdy bookworms.


To be fair, that's sort of the point of the school... or at least, it's for nerdy bookworms (not necessarily creates them). It's not called Thomas Jefferson High School for Soccer and Tennis, after all.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2024 13:12     Subject: Supreme Court Refuses to Take Up TJ Admissions
Anonymous wrote:It’s official - the Supreme Court has declined to take up the TJ admissions case. Amazingly, the Court has decided it doesn’t want to become a local school board.



YOu are making this denial into a much bigger deal than it is. Scotus receives between 8,000 and 10,000 petitions for write of ceriorari a year. It hears only 100 to 150 cases. The fact that cert was denied is not a significant newsworthy item
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2024 13:05     Subject: Re:Supreme Court Refuses to Take Up TJ Admissions
Anonymous wrote:Even so, the FCPS statement about the cert denial is cringe-inducing, as you might expect. They make it sound like TJ is now fully representative of FCPS communities and student demographics when that's anything but the case. But they moved the needle a bit, so of course you're going to get the likes of Karl Frisch patting himself incessantly on the back.

You are right about that. TJ needs to acknowledge the needs of its diverse demographics. As long as TJ lacks sports focus and fails to understand how sports is integral part of learning and personal development, we are not going anywhere near its vicinity. What they are really want our kids to turn into is nerdy bookworms.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2024 12:58     Subject: Supreme Court Refuses to Take Up TJ Admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Even this Supreme Court (the one that just overturned affirmative action) didn’t think this was worth taking. That’s the end of Azra and Harry Jackson’s ridiculous quest. Bye!



You can't conclude that from a denial of a petition for writ of certiorari. The court can decide not to take an appeal for any number of reasons, including ripeness. Hundreds of certs. are denied every year.


DP... Ripeness? They literally JUST did Harvard and UNC. Roberts in his opinion warned against doing things indirectly that you couldn't do directly.

Conservatives have to be HOWLING that this wasn't taken up.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2024 12:54     Subject: Re:Supreme Court Refuses to Take Up TJ Admissions
Anonymous wrote:The biggest "winners" in this are the Langley, McLean, Oakton, and Chantilly pyramids, which the high-achieving families now seek out more than ever since the admissions process has been revamped to be more subjective and less predictable.

Thank you for mentioning Chantilly. We recently moved here.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2024 12:52     Subject: Re:Supreme Court Refuses to Take Up TJ Admissions
Anonymous wrote:Even so, the FCPS statement about the cert denial is cringe-inducing, as you might expect. They make it sound like TJ is now fully representative of FCPS communities and student demographics when that's anything but the case. But they moved the needle a bit, so of course you're going to get the likes of Karl Frisch patting himself incessantly on the back.


Which demographic are you arguing is presently unrepresented at TJ?
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2024 12:42     Subject: Re:Supreme Court Refuses to Take Up TJ Admissions
Even so, the FCPS statement about the cert denial is cringe-inducing, as you might expect. They make it sound like TJ is now fully representative of FCPS communities and student demographics when that's anything but the case. But they moved the needle a bit, so of course you're going to get the likes of Karl Frisch patting himself incessantly on the back.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2024 12:42     Subject: Supreme Court Refuses to Take Up TJ Admissions
FYI, here is the Associated Press story about the SCOTUS decision:


The Supreme Court leaves in place the admissions plan at an elite Virginia public high school

https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-virginia-school-admissions-asian-discrimination-bdac4a3d720c0355f9da1c9539b05c2d
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2024 12:34     Subject: Supreme Court Refuses to Take Up TJ Admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Even this Supreme Court (the one that just overturned affirmative action) didn’t think this was worth taking. That’s the end of Azra and Harry Jackson’s ridiculous quest. Bye!



You can't conclude that from a denial of a petition for writ of certiorari. The court can decide not to take an appeal for any number of reasons, including ripeness. Hundreds of certs. are denied every year.


That's literally the only thing you can conclude from a denial of a petition for writ of certiorari (i.e., that an insufficient number of justices thought the case was worth hearing).
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2024 12:29     Subject: Supreme Court Refuses to Take Up TJ Admissions
Anonymous wrote:Even this Supreme Court (the one that just overturned affirmative action) didn’t think this was worth taking. That’s the end of Azra and Harry Jackson’s ridiculous quest. Bye!



You can't conclude that from a denial of a petition for writ of certiorari. The court can decide not to take an appeal for any number of reasons, including ripeness. Hundreds of certs. are denied every year.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2024 12:28     Subject: Supreme Court Refuses to Take Up TJ Admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/022024zor_7647.pdf

You have to scroll down all the way to the bottom to page 30 of 39 to find Justice Alito's dissent, with which Justice Thomas joined. Notably, Justice Gorsuch had originally indicated that he would grant the vacatur request from a couple of years ago but voted this time around not to hear the case.

It is refreshing that this matter has finally come to an end, and decisively with four conservatives (and all three Trump appointees!) choosing not to hear the case. I only wish that we had an opinion from, say, Roberts or Kavanaugh that explained their decision not to hear it. Would be nice for the Coalition - who can now officially be referred to as a Lost Cause and a failed enterprise - to receive one final rhetorical death blow.


FYI— although Gorsuch didn’t join Alito’s dissent you can’t really assume he voted against hearing the case. We know at least six justices voted against hearing the case and Alito voted to hear it, but we don’t know if there were 1,2, or 3 justices voting to hear it.



You can't. This is simply a denial of a petition for a writ of certiorari. That is all.
Anonymous
Post 02/20/2024 12:21     Subject: Supreme Court Refuses to Take Up TJ Admissions
Anonymous wrote:It’s official - the Supreme Court has declined to take up the TJ admissions case. Amazingly, the Court has decided it doesn’t want to become a local school board.


I don't want to hear any more of this nonsense whining about how Asians are discriminated against.