Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 09:52     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So depressing as we grind toward WW3.


Troll farm post?


I would really like to know what you think when you write this. I’ve have seen multiple similar posts usually labeling posts that I (a real person) agree with. Is it so frightening to you that people may have other perspectives? I think Putin is a horrible man. I am upset that he invaded Ukraine. However, I do wonder at this point if it’s worth continued loss of life or if it isn’t time for negotiation. I was raised by parents who were peace protesters in the 60s and 70s and can’t help but think at times that they were right: war is not the answer.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 09:43     Subject: Re:The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:The senate just pulled an all nighter and worked all night long, not to do anything useful for Americans, but to pass a bill funding war all over the world and passed it while most Americans are asleep.


They learned the lessons of the Second World War. Imagine if Americans had stepped up and stopped Hitler before he took hold.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 09:42     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So depressing as we grind toward WW3.


Not defending NATO starts WW3.
Not stopping bullies starts WW3.

Do you think it is acceptable for one country to invade another? For people in one country to just bomb an other? For terrorists to just run wild?


Of course not. Those countries should defend themselves vigorously. Best of luck to them.

My main concern is that the elected leaders of MY country keep my children and my neighbors children away from war zones and people who give a sh*t about their religious claim to land (Israel/Palestine) or their territorial borders from a thousand years or so ago (Russia/Ukraine). Not my circus, not my monkeys.

I have slightly more sympathy to defend Taiwan because we need semiconductors. But only until we can get out act together to be able to manufacture our own.


The best way to do that is fund and arm others so our sons and daughters don't have to. THAT is why we should all be supporting these bills.


If you subsidize something you get more of it.

Exactly
We are subsidizing freedom and democracy, so we see more of it.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 09:40     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:Amazing we can approve 100 billion for other countries’ borders but not the same for our own. No thanks.


We know who blocked the bipartisan immigration reform bill largely written by a conservative politician - and it was not the democrats .

Trump knows illegal immigration is all he has to campaign on since the economy is doing way better under Biden’s admin. Plus women are furious about losing reproductive rights in half the country with threats of federal ban in deference to Trumps white evangelical base.

National security does not stop at the southern border.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 09:37     Subject: Re:The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
The senate just pulled an all nighter and worked all night long, not to do anything useful for Americans, but to pass a bill funding war all over the world and passed it while most Americans are asleep.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 09:32     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Amazing we can approve 100 billion for other countries’ borders but not the same for our own. No thanks.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 09:17     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Right, it's such a remote possibility, considering we are already funding a proxy war vs Russia, pouring weapons into an inflamed Middle East and now want to mix things up with China.



Better a proxy war than an actual one, though, isn't it?


Much much better and much much cheaper.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 09:12     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So depressing as we grind toward WW3.


Troll farm post?


it's so tiresome. Obviously anyone who is concerned about a broader war MUST be a troll. /s

Are you kidding me?

Anyway, feel free to ask Jeff. I've been posting that I'm concerned we are headed down the WW3 path for several years at this point, and the progression continues.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 09:08     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So depressing as we grind toward WW3.


Not defending NATO starts WW3.
Not stopping bullies starts WW3.

Do you think it is acceptable for one country to invade another? For people in one country to just bomb an other? For terrorists to just run wild?


Of course not. Those countries should defend themselves vigorously. Best of luck to them.

My main concern is that the elected leaders of MY country keep my children and my neighbors children away from war zones and people who give a sh*t about their religious claim to land (Israel/Palestine) or their territorial borders from a thousand years or so ago (Russia/Ukraine). Not my circus, not my monkeys.

I have slightly more sympathy to defend Taiwan because we need semiconductors. But only until we can get out act together to be able to manufacture our own.


The best way to do that is fund and arm others so our sons and daughters don't have to. THAT is why we should all be supporting these bills.


If you subsidize something you get more of it.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 08:59     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:There remains a bipartisan majority in favor of aid to Ukraine, and the Senate passed the $95 billion funding package for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. In part, lRepublican senators wanted to demonstrate their independence from Trump, who had spent the weekend telling senators not to pass it. South Carolina jellyfish senator Lindsey Graham, previously an Ukraine supporter, released a statement saying he will vote no on the measure.

Senator Thom Tillis (R-NC) weighed in on the issue during debate yesterday: “This is not a stalemate. This guy [Putin] is on life support… He will not survive if NATO gets stronger.” If the bill does not pass, Tillis said, “You will see the alliance that is supporting Ukraine crumble.” For his part, Tillis wanted no part of that future: “I am not going to be on that page in history.”

Bravo Senate Republicans who showed backbone and stood up to Trump in the interests of the country. I fear too many jellyfish Republicans in the House will float whatever Tornado Trump stirs their waters- whether or not is not in the national interests or representing the will of the people.


Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 08:58     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:There remains a bipartisan majority in favor of aid to Ukraine, and the Senate passed the $95 billion funding package for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. In part, lRepublican senators wanted to demonstrate their independence from Trump, who had spent the weekend telling senators not to pass it. South Carolina jellyfish senator Lindsey Graham, previously an Ukraine supporter, released a statement saying he will vote no on the measure.

Senator Thom Tillis (R-NC) weighed in on the issue during debate yesterday: “This is not a stalemate. This guy [Putin] is on life support… He will not survive if NATO gets stronger.” If the bill does not pass, Tillis said, “You will see the alliance that is supporting Ukraine crumble.” For his part, Tillis wanted no part of that future: “I am not going to be on that page in history.”

Bravo Senate Republicans who showed backbone and stood up to Trump in the interests of the country. I fear too many jellyfish Republicans in the House will float whatever Tornado Trump stirs their waters- whether or not is not in the national interests or representing the will of the people.


Now tell it to Speaker "Want the Rapture" Johnson.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 08:58     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Right, it's such a remote possibility, considering we are already funding a proxy war vs Russia, pouring weapons into an inflamed Middle East and now want to mix things up with China.



Better a proxy war than an actual one, though, isn't it?


Better neither.


True. Tell it to Vlad and the religious extremists in the Muslim world.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 08:57     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So depressing as we grind toward WW3.


Not defending NATO starts WW3.
Not stopping bullies starts WW3.

Do you think it is acceptable for one country to invade another? For people in one country to just bomb an other? For terrorists to just run wild?


Of course not. Those countries should defend themselves vigorously. Best of luck to them.

My main concern is that the elected leaders of MY country keep my children and my neighbors children away from war zones and people who give a sh*t about their religious claim to land (Israel/Palestine) or their territorial borders from a thousand years or so ago (Russia/Ukraine). Not my circus, not my monkeys.

I have slightly more sympathy to defend Taiwan because we need semiconductors. But only until we can get out act together to be able to manufacture our own.


The best way to do that is fund and arm others so our sons and daughters don't have to. THAT is why we should all be supporting these bills.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 08:47     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Right, it's such a remote possibility, considering we are already funding a proxy war vs Russia, pouring weapons into an inflamed Middle East and now want to mix things up with China.



Better a proxy war than an actual one, though, isn't it?


Better neither.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2024 08:41     Subject: The Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So depressing as we grind toward WW3.


Not defending NATO starts WW3.
Not stopping bullies starts WW3.

Do you think it is acceptable for one country to invade another? For people in one country to just bomb an other? For terrorists to just run wild?


Of course not. Those countries should defend themselves vigorously. Best of luck to them.

My main concern is that the elected leaders of MY country keep my children and my neighbors children away from war zones and people who give a sh*t about their religious claim to land (Israel/Palestine) or their territorial borders from a thousand years or so ago (Russia/Ukraine). Not my circus, not my monkeys.

I have slightly more sympathy to defend Taiwan because we need semiconductors. But only until we can get out act together to be able to manufacture our own.