I have never met a dog with a squished face that I found attractive. They are also unhealthy. Make sure you get pet insurance.

Why are only some children cute? Genetic variation!

Frenchies are the best!

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Anonymous wrote:Like another poster said, I’m not against people buying dogs from breeders, but I can’t understand how anyone with a conscience could buy a frenchie. Breeding them is so unethical. The dam is put through so much to produce a litter and the resulting pups have serious health problems. It’s an exercise in pure vanity without any regard for the dogs. Honestly, the fact that your dog’s appearance is your number one concern indicates that you’ll fit in well with other frenchie owners.

What do you think happens with other dogs when they are bred? What is the female French "put through" that other dogs are not? There are several breeds that deliver pups via c-sections for instance. And are you seriously claiming that every Frenchie pup has serious health concerns, because surely you must realize that's not true.

I swear, some of you jump on the latest virtue signaling bandwagon with zero information.

Most french bulldogs cannot breed the old fashioned way. The male can’t even mount the female. The female can’t birth the pups herself. These dogs are concocted to fulfill human desires for a cute little smooshed face, bug-eyed dog. Why are you defending that?

Don't most breeders artificially inseminate the dogs? It's not a French bulldog thing. Why are you dramatizing this?

Breeders generally use artificial insemination for the sake of convenience, not because the dogs could not breed, otherwise. Humans have been breeding dogs for thousands of years to get dogs with certain traits or abilities. Dogs have been bred for specific purposes. French bulldogs are bred to be lapdogs. That’s it. They don’t NEED to have such smooshed in faces that they can’t breathe, it’s just for looks. There’s no function behind it. Humans have created these dogs that could never exist without artificial insemination and c-sections, just to be lap dogs with no discernible snouts, great difficulty breathing and far more health problems in general than most breeds. Frenchies are one of the least healthy breeds. If you can’t understand why breeding them is unethical, a Frenchie may be the right dog for you.

OP you're confusing breeds. All franchies are gorgeous. Pugs are ugly.

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Anonymous wrote:Like another poster said, I’m not against people buying dogs from breeders, but I can’t understand how anyone with a conscience could buy a frenchie. Breeding them is so unethical. The dam is put through so much to produce a litter and the resulting pups have serious health problems. It’s an exercise in pure vanity without any regard for the dogs. Honestly, the fact that your dog’s appearance is your number one concern indicates that you’ll fit in well with other frenchie owners.

What do you think happens with other dogs when they are bred? What is the female French "put through" that other dogs are not? There are several breeds that deliver pups via c-sections for instance. And are you seriously claiming that every Frenchie pup has serious health concerns, because surely you must realize that's not true.

I swear, some of you jump on the latest virtue signaling bandwagon with zero information.

Most french bulldogs cannot breed the old fashioned way. The male can’t even mount the female. The female can’t birth the pups herself. These dogs are concocted to fulfill human desires for a cute little smooshed face, bug-eyed dog. Why are you defending that?

Don't most breeders artificially inseminate the dogs? It's not a French bulldog thing. Why are you dramatizing this?

How else will she virtue signal, PP?? Sheesh!

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Anonymous wrote:Like another poster said, I’m not against people buying dogs from breeders, but I can’t understand how anyone with a conscience could buy a frenchie. Breeding them is so unethical. The dam is put through so much to produce a litter and the resulting pups have serious health problems. It’s an exercise in pure vanity without any regard for the dogs. Honestly, the fact that your dog’s appearance is your number one concern indicates that you’ll fit in well with other frenchie owners.

What do you think happens with other dogs when they are bred? What is the female French "put through" that other dogs are not? There are several breeds that deliver pups via c-sections for instance. And are you seriously claiming that every Frenchie pup has serious health concerns, because surely you must realize that's not true.

I swear, some of you jump on the latest virtue signaling bandwagon with zero information.

Most french bulldogs cannot breed the old fashioned way. The male can’t even mount the female. The female can’t birth the pups herself. These dogs are concocted to fulfill human desires for a cute little smooshed face, bug-eyed dog. Why are you defending that?

Don't most breeders artificially inseminate the dogs? It's not a French bulldog thing. Why are you dramatizing this?

Don't get a French bulldog or any other smush-faced dog. Sure, all dogs *can* have health issues, but these breeds have *built-in* health issues because they have compromised physiology. They're also more prone to various tumors as a result, as well as other problems.

https://vet.tufts.edu/news-events/news/frenchies-are-1-and-veterinarians-are-concerned

I'm also not opposed to breeding -- I have a breeder Labrador -- but with any breed you have to dig into a) whether the dog has been bred for a particular purpose, including a particular aesthetic look, and what the effects on individual animals are -- and b) whether particular breeds are so overbred in the US that they also have built-in risks, for example, the incredibly high rates of cancer in US golden retrievers.

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Anonymous wrote:All puppies are cute, even Frenchies. They do tend to have a ton of health issues, and I am not sure how ethical it is to intentionally breed dogs with anatomical features that are inherently problematic. However, if you are concerned about appearance and not terribly concerned about health, and still want a French Bulldog. I'd suggest that you look for a fully grown dog that has the look that you want, perhaps a retired breeder or a show prospect that didn't pan out . You probably won't need to worry about temperament with a Frenchie, they all seem to be nice enough.

These are one of the most unethical dogs to breed. People post "cute" pictures of them sleeping with head propped or with toys in their mouths but they sleep like that because otherwise they can't breath.

Most also need to be born via C-section because the females can not otherwise give birth and would die doing so.

Sorry, I agree. I am not anti-breeder at all and I even purchased a dog from a breeder that most would call a mutt or "designer" breed. But continuing to breed dogs based on looks alone when those looks make for significant health issues just does not seem ethical at all. All those smooshed faces are cute but bad for dogs. Same with dachshunds--do you know ho many end up paralyzed because those little legs cannot support that long back?!

And corgis. And people who breed pits.

Why does a thread not about pit bull dogs somehow turn against them?

They're not cute because they're struggling for oxygen.

Frenchies and pugs are so hideous but people seem to love them. I think it's a terrible biz to contribute to, people are literally breeding the health OUT of them.

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Anonymous wrote:Like another poster said, I’m not against people buying dogs from breeders, but I can’t understand how anyone with a conscience could buy a frenchie. Breeding them is so unethical. The dam is put through so much to produce a litter and the resulting pups have serious health problems. It’s an exercise in pure vanity without any regard for the dogs. Honestly, the fact that your dog’s appearance is your number one concern indicates that you’ll fit in well with other frenchie owners.

What do you think happens with other dogs when they are bred? What is the female French "put through" that other dogs are not? There are several breeds that deliver pups via c-sections for instance. And are you seriously claiming that every Frenchie pup has serious health concerns, because surely you must realize that's not true.

I swear, some of you jump on the latest virtue signaling bandwagon with zero information.

Most french bulldogs cannot breed the old fashioned way. The male can’t even mount the female. The female can’t birth the pups herself. These dogs are concocted to fulfill human desires for a cute little smooshed face, bug-eyed dog. Why are you defending that?

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Anonymous wrote:Like another poster said, I’m not against people buying dogs from breeders, but I can’t understand how anyone with a conscience could buy a frenchie. Breeding them is so unethical. The dam is put through so much to produce a litter and the resulting pups have serious health problems. It’s an exercise in pure vanity without any regard for the dogs. Honestly, the fact that your dog’s appearance is your number one concern indicates that you’ll fit in well with other frenchie owners.

What do you think happens with other dogs when they are bred? What is the female French "put through" that other dogs are not? There are several breeds that deliver pups via c-sections for instance. And are you seriously claiming that every Frenchie pup has serious health concerns, because surely you must realize that's not true.

I swear, some of you jump on the latest virtue signaling bandwagon with zero information.

Yes, English bulldogs, pugs, and Boston terriers are also abominations. But cute ones!