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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Was just thinking this while watching True Detective. Jodie Foster and Fiona Shaw both have lined faces. They look (and are) older women. They both look beautiful and the lines in their faces give them character and depth they wouldn't have with every wrinkled filled, stretched, and smoothed out.

My mom got wrinkles on the late side (didn't really start seeing them until her late 50s) and they were mostly fine lines for a long time. Now in her late 70s she has deeper lines, but I still like how her skin looks -- she still has a glow and there's still color in her cheeks. I would be totally okay with following in her footsteps. She's never had any procedures done at all -- just moisturized her skin and stayed out of the sun.

There is 0 way that Jodie Foster isn't doing both fillers and botox. Just because it looks more natural doesn't mean they haven't had something done. I think that's a big myth about Botox and Fillers. You actually need to do a ton (10+ syringes of fillers in the face or 2-3 in the lips) to even start seeing a unnatural look

No. I really do not think she does anything. I think she looks beautiful, but she has jowls, neck sagging, forehead lines, drooping eye lids, smile lines, fine lines around her mouth and eyes, you name it. She look her age. She's always had sharp features and she's kept them, but she looks older because she is.

It's possible she has had Botox, but it does not look like she's getting it now or that she's done it regularly enough to prevent a lot of the lines. She's not doing fillers as there is zero evidence of it and she also doesn't have any of the weird shifting that happens as they settle. And the state of her neck and eyelids indicates no surgery, either.

The assumption that everyone does it is just false. I do think some actors (1) are less vain and don't care as much, and (2) more committed to keeping their faces looking natural for purposes of wanting to believably play older women (and not just rich older women who've had procedures done). I also don't think Emma Thompson, Sigourney Weaver, Sissy Spacek, Frances McDormand, and Juliette Binoche or going largely without interventions. A few of them might get Botox occasionally for big events, but I think some of them eschew even that.

The truth is that some women do not mind looking older and might even embrace it. Even some famous women in the public eye. I mean if I had the kind of long and successful careers these women have had, I'd like to think I wouldn't care either. What do they have to prove to anyone?

Not at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Was just thinking this while watching True Detective. Jodie Foster and Fiona Shaw both have lined faces. They look (and are) older women. They both look beautiful and the lines in their faces give them character and depth they wouldn't have with every wrinkled filled, stretched, and smoothed out.

My mom got wrinkles on the late side (didn't really start seeing them until her late 50s) and they were mostly fine lines for a long time. Now in her late 70s she has deeper lines, but I still like how her skin looks -- she still has a glow and there's still color in her cheeks. I would be totally okay with following in her footsteps. She's never had any procedures done at all -- just moisturized her skin and stayed out of the sun.

There is 0 way that Jodie Foster isn't doing both fillers and botox. Just because it looks more natural doesn't mean they haven't had something done. I think that's a big myth about Botox and Fillers. You actually need to do a ton (10+ syringes of fillers in the face or 2-3 in the lips) to even start seeing a unnatural look

She's not that old. She's what, 60? She looks it.

Anonymous wrote:Yes. Was just thinking this while watching True Detective. Jodie Foster and Fiona Shaw both have lined faces. They look (and are) older women. They both look beautiful and the lines in their faces give them character and depth they wouldn't have with every wrinkled filled, stretched, and smoothed out.

My mom got wrinkles on the late side (didn't really start seeing them until her late 50s) and they were mostly fine lines for a long time. Now in her late 70s she has deeper lines, but I still like how her skin looks -- she still has a glow and there's still color in her cheeks. I would be totally okay with following in her footsteps. She's never had any procedures done at all -- just moisturized her skin and stayed out of the sun.

There is 0 way that Jodie Foster isn't doing both fillers and botox. Just because it looks more natural doesn't mean they haven't had something done. I think that's a big myth about Botox and Fillers. You actually need to do a ton (10+ syringes of fillers in the face or 2-3 in the lips) to even start seeing a unnatural look

No one but you cares who you look anymore. A woman who uses botox is just as unattractive as one with forehead lines, etc. Do what you think looks best because at this age, that's really all that matters.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a sagger - so my face is melting instead of wrinkling. I'd take wrinkling any day.

This is me, too. I have some wrinkles around my eyes, but they don't bother me. What I hate is the sag starting around my jaw. My cheekbones look awesome, but at the price of my jawline.

Yes exactly. I'm suddenly seeing loose jowls. I spend a lot of time in my magnifying mirror pulling the skin in that area back - just a tiny bit - and oh the difference! If I could just get a teeny tiny "lift" there all would be good in the world

Anonymous wrote:This is not meant to be a smug post about accepting aging. While I like my lines, I have seen some amazing plastic surgery for facial features and if I didn't have a million stressors and things pulling at me where I just cannot do an elective surgery and recovery, I would be tempted to try it. I'm not tempted by botox or fillers though because I like lines. Anyone else like your lines? I have always been just average and I think my lines and the loss of facial fat improve my looks a little bit or in middle age my brain is declining and I am becoming delusional . I know a few people who were blessed with incredibly good looks and the ones who chose to keep their lines look fantastic to me. I don't like what botox does and fillers look so unnatural. Maybe i know people who use these, but they do it in such a subtle way, it looks great and not unnatural?

If I come across as judgmental I can take this down. It truly is that I just think lines in middle age look good. Maybe when I become elderly I will decide it's worth it to try botox.

Anyone else think a lot of middle age people look better with the lines?

I am 43 and have been doing Botox for my forehead lines and 11s for a year now. The results are subtle. I think the dermatologist uses 27 units total

i think if you are thin with sharp defined features and good hair, lines/wrinkles are not a big deal. Google Ali MacGraw through the years. Like a tan Ralph Lauren model with impeccable thick silver hair. The rest of us mortals with saggy jowls, deep nasolabial folds, droopy eyelids and thinning hair are maybe a little less enthused about the signs of aging. It is easy to be smug and say “I’ve earned these lines” when you know the rest of you looks great. And that’s okay.

I know what you're talking about. Some women wear it well. Samantha Power is an example of someone who looks beautiful but lined.

Have a few friends who look more beautiful as they age, even into their 50s.

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Anonymous wrote:No I don't like my lines at all, particularly not my 11's. I think 11's make people, especially women look angry.

I do like the loss of facial fat that occurred in my 30s. Despite being thin, I always had chubby cheeks. As a kid and even a teen I remember people squeezing them- ugh.

I have botox and no one can tell. My face definitely isn't frozen. I only get about 30 units. My husband actually never noticed either

Yeah I have 11s and really hate them. If I had horizontal lines I wouldn't even think about botox. I'm tempted to get it for the 11s but at what point do you stop

I don’t have 11s but have horizontal lines and HATE them. I have done Botox but at 500$ four times a year I am now unable to justify it anymore.

Justine Bateman appears to be the poster child for not only embracing aging naturally…but aggressively pursuing deep lines and leathery skin…presumably thanks to sunbathing and chain smoking. She gives zero Fs. She’s like a badass rockstar without the musical talent.

Anonymous wrote:I'm a sagger - so my face is melting instead of wrinkling. I'd take wrinkling any day.

Yep

I like some of my lines. The ones around my eyes and the new ones in my cheeks don't really bother me. A heavily lined forehead? Meet the needle. Also not crazy about the marionette lines but those require filler, and I'm not ready for that.

Saggy jowls and turkey neck, on the other hand, I hate but will live with because I will never do anything requiring anesthesia.

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Anonymous wrote:No I don't like my lines at all, particularly not my 11's. I think 11's make people, especially women look angry.

I do like the loss of facial fat that occurred in my 30s. Despite being thin, I always had chubby cheeks. As a kid and even a teen I remember people squeezing them- ugh.

I have botox and no one can tell. My face definitely isn't frozen. I only get about 30 units. My husband actually never noticed either

Yeah I have 11s and really hate them. If I had horizontal lines I wouldn't even think about botox. I'm tempted to get it for the 11s but at what point do you stop

You stop when you 1) can't afford it or get to/from the practioner's office and/or 2) when you're dead.

I think a little bit of plastic help is ok, but overall, much better off aging (mostly) naturally.