Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blacks are 21% of NC population, but 9% of UNC chapel hill student population. Blacks were banned from attending UNC undegraduate until 1955.

But SFFA chose UNC for its lawsuit...

Only in America.

You have to be careful with these stats. There are 10 HBCUs in North Carolina & more In adjacent states. That means thousands of black students from the state of NC are going to colleges that are not intended for non-black students. That affects the stats you are gleefully hoping reveal some racial shenanigans.

Why were the HBCUs in North Carolina created in the first place? Exclusion at a state flagship such as UNC Chapel Hill.

Ok and?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blacks are 21% of NC population, but 9% of UNC chapel hill student population. Blacks were banned from attending UNC undegraduate until 1955.

But SFFA chose UNC for its lawsuit...

Only in America.

You have to be careful with these stats. There are 10 HBCUs in North Carolina & more In adjacent states. That means thousands of black students from the state of NC are going to colleges that are not intended for non-black students. That affects the stats you are gleefully hoping reveal some racial shenanigans.

Why were the HBCUs in North Carolina created in the first place? Exclusion at a state flagship such as UNC Chapel Hill.

Ok, I went to UNC and the OOS kids are always brilliant. However, it's not that the In State kids are all dummies -- it's that there is a range, from the valedictorians down to someone who was ranked #60 in a 600 student class somewhere from the state (and at my school, almost everyone in between.) So you have very smart NC kids, but also kind of mediocre NC kids. But you only have brilliant OOS kids.

Forget NC anything .

Anonymous wrote:DC was accepted OOS to UNC but not offered Honors College. Not sure what they were looking for but goes to HYP now.

Legacy?

Anonymous wrote:Blacks are 21% of NC population, but 9% of UNC chapel hill student population. Blacks were banned from attending UNC undegraduate until 1955.

But SFFA chose UNC for its lawsuit...

Only in America.

You have to be careful with these stats. There are 10 HBCUs in North Carolina & more In adjacent states. That means thousands of black students from the state of NC are going to colleges that are not intended for non-black students. That affects the stats you are gleefully hoping reveal some racial shenanigans.

DC was accepted OOS to UNC but not offered Honors College. Not sure what they were looking for but goes to HYP now.

Anonymous wrote:The above is all true. It's a really tough admit for OOS non-recruited athletes.

Not really worth the time and energy for mid-Atlantic applicants.

My DC just graduated and is neither an athlete or a legacy, so I'm not sure how accurate this is.

Percentage oos is capped around 18 percent. OOS acceptance rate is about 8 percent, including athletes.

Michigan has closer to a 50/50 split of in state and OOS students.

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Anonymous wrote:I was a TA at UNC when I was getting my PhD and the disparity in academic preparation between the in-state and out-of-state students is striking. They tell you off the bat that you’ll be able to pick the OOS students out of a crowded classroom. It makes for an odd dynamic overall and I remember thinking it would be a strange experience as an OOS student.

I was OOS (from the Midwest) in the early '00s. I suppose the academic experience as an OOS student was a little strange. I was definitely on a more advanced academic track (was able to place out of a lot with AP credits which set me up well for getting into the business school and gave me time for a double major). The disparity was more obvious in the large classes and the ones that were required/prereqs where you saw more of a cross-section of the school population. Socially and developmentally though, it was a really valuable experience for me at that age to be a bit of a fish out of water (regionally, academically, to an extent socioeconomically) and exposed to people I would not have otherwise met. It got me out of the bubble I'd grown up in and has shifted my perspective ever since.

This is such a great point. I don't think I've seen it mentioned in all the discussions about OOS students at the big state schools. For those who know about Michigan, is it also true there? I love the idea of DCs getting an excellent education AND getting out of their bubble. (We live in NY state, so we have the SUNY option, but I think there's something good about getting out of your state/region for college.)

Anonymous wrote:I was a TA at UNC when I was getting my PhD and the disparity in academic preparation between the in-state and out-of-state students is striking. They tell you off the bat that you’ll be able to pick the OOS students out of a crowded classroom. It makes for an odd dynamic overall and I remember thinking it would be a strange experience as an OOS student.

I was OOS (from the Midwest) in the early '00s. I suppose the academic experience as an OOS student was a little strange. I was definitely on a more advanced academic track (was able to place out of a lot with AP credits which set me up well for getting into the business school and gave me time for a double major). The disparity was more obvious in the large classes and the ones that were required/prereqs where you saw more of a cross-section of the school population. Socially and developmentally though, it was a really valuable experience for me at that age to be a bit of a fish out of water (regionally, academically, to an extent socioeconomically) and exposed to people I would not have otherwise met. It got me out of the bubble I'd grown up in and has shifted my perspective ever since.

Anonymous wrote:I was a TA at UNC when I was getting my PhD and the disparity in academic preparation between the in-state and out-of-state students is striking. They tell you off the bat that you’ll be able to pick the OOS students out of a crowded classroom. It makes for an odd dynamic overall and I remember thinking it would be a strange experience as an OOS student.

I went to high school in Chapel Hill and remember hearing this. It's the absolute cream of the crop from out of state, and then the people that were top of their class from podunk NC...

I was a TA at UNC when I was getting my PhD and the disparity in academic preparation between the in-state and out-of-state students is striking. They tell you off the bat that you’ll be able to pick the OOS students out of a crowded classroom. It makes for an odd dynamic overall and I remember thinking it would be a strange experience as an OOS student.

I believe they try to spread out acceptances within the state also so they don’t have a huge concentration from certain areas. Depending on your county of residence within NC, it can also be very competitive and difficult, but likely not to the extent of an OOS kid.