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Anonymous wrote:It appears these are the schools sending 25 or more kids to another school other than TJ this year:

Mount Vernon to Hayfield (186)
Herndon to South Lakes (157)
Robinson to Lake Braddock (99)
Annandale to Lake Braddock (90)
Hayfield to Edison (64)
Lewis to Edison (50)
West Springfield to Lake Braddock (46)
Langley to McLean (46) [as noted above, this is likely a "funny number" based on how FCPS classifies kids grandfathered under the 2021 Langley/McLean boundary change]
Edison to Hayfield (38)
Westfield to South Lakes (34)
Marshall to Madison (33)
Falls Church to Annandale (30)
West Potomac to Mount Vernon (30)
South Lakes to Langley (29)
Westfield to Chantilly (25)
Hayfield to Lake Braddock (25)

Where are the other Marshall students going besides Madison?

It looks like there are 105 kids transferring out of Marshall this year to schools other than TJ, including to Madison (33), Langley (16), and McLean (12). So those three schools account for 61 of the 105 transfers. Other Marshall kids transferred to Fairfax, Justice, Lake Braddock, Lewis, Mount Vernon, Oakton, and Woodson, but FCPS does not provide the specific numbers when fewer than 10 kids transfer from one school to another.

I also think that the Marshall transfer locations are skewed bc Falls Church is undergoing renovation. I believe they used to take more Marshall students wanting AP.

I didn’t realize these schools still took transfers. I have one who I believe will do well in IB and another who would likely do better with AP. But Falls Church HS is too far for us. Rumor has it that Madison would take athletes (which my kid isn’t) even though that’s not a valid reason for transfer.

Madison has extra capacity now following its expansion, so someone who isn't an athlete zoned for Marshall who lives close to Madison ought to be able to transfer there for AP if that's their preference.

lol, athletics is the actual reason for transferring into Madison

If your kid was at Thoreau but zoned for Marshall I could see them wanting to attend Madison instead regardless of athletics.

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Anonymous wrote:It appears these are the schools sending 25 or more kids to another school other than TJ this year:

Mount Vernon to Hayfield (186)
Herndon to South Lakes (157)
Robinson to Lake Braddock (99)
Annandale to Lake Braddock (90)
Hayfield to Edison (64)
Lewis to Edison (50)
West Springfield to Lake Braddock (46)
Langley to McLean (46) [as noted above, this is likely a "funny number" based on how FCPS classifies kids grandfathered under the 2021 Langley/McLean boundary change]
Edison to Hayfield (38)
Westfield to South Lakes (34)
Marshall to Madison (33)
Falls Church to Annandale (30)
West Potomac to Mount Vernon (30)
South Lakes to Langley (29)
Westfield to Chantilly (25)
Hayfield to Lake Braddock (25)

Where are the other Marshall students going besides Madison?

It looks like there are 105 kids transferring out of Marshall this year to schools other than TJ, including to Madison (33), Langley (16), and McLean (12). So those three schools account for 61 of the 105 transfers. Other Marshall kids transferred to Fairfax, Justice, Lake Braddock, Lewis, Mount Vernon, Oakton, and Woodson, but FCPS does not provide the specific numbers when fewer than 10 kids transfer from one school to another.

I also think that the Marshall transfer locations are skewed bc Falls Church is undergoing renovation. I believe they used to take more Marshall students wanting AP.

I didn’t realize these schools still took transfers. I have one who I believe will do well in IB and another who would likely do better with AP. But Falls Church HS is too far for us. Rumor has it that Madison would take athletes (which my kid isn’t) even though that’s not a valid reason for transfer.

Madison has extra capacity now following its expansion, so someone who isn't an athlete zoned for Marshall who lives close to Madison ought to be able to transfer there for AP if that's their preference.

lol, athletics is the actual reason for transferring into Madison

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Anonymous wrote:It appears these are the schools sending 25 or more kids to another school other than TJ this year:

Mount Vernon to Hayfield (186)
Herndon to South Lakes (157)
Robinson to Lake Braddock (99)
Annandale to Lake Braddock (90)
Hayfield to Edison (64)
Lewis to Edison (50)
West Springfield to Lake Braddock (46)
Langley to McLean (46) [as noted above, this is likely a "funny number" based on how FCPS classifies kids grandfathered under the 2021 Langley/McLean boundary change]
Edison to Hayfield (38)
Westfield to South Lakes (34)
Marshall to Madison (33)
Falls Church to Annandale (30)
West Potomac to Mount Vernon (30)
South Lakes to Langley (29)
Westfield to Chantilly (25)
Hayfield to Lake Braddock (25)

Where are the other Marshall students going besides Madison?

It looks like there are 105 kids transferring out of Marshall this year to schools other than TJ, including to Madison (33), Langley (16), and McLean (12). So those three schools account for 61 of the 105 transfers. Other Marshall kids transferred to Fairfax, Justice, Lake Braddock, Lewis, Mount Vernon, Oakton, and Woodson, but FCPS does not provide the specific numbers when fewer than 10 kids transfer from one school to another.

I also think that the Marshall transfer locations are skewed bc Falls Church is undergoing renovation. I believe they used to take more Marshall students wanting AP.

I didn’t realize these schools still took transfers. I have one who I believe will do well in IB and another who would likely do better with AP. But Falls Church HS is too far for us. Rumor has it that Madison would take athletes (which my kid isn’t) even though that’s not a valid reason for transfer.

Madison has extra capacity now following its expansion, so someone who isn't an athlete zoned for Marshall who lives close to Madison ought to be able to transfer there for AP if that's their preference.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL more kids from McLean get into TJ than Langley. So there. LOL

McLean has several hundred more kids than Langley (and Longfellow has several hundred more kids than Cooper) so that's no surprise. Some admissions now are based purely on the size of the 8th grade middle school classes.

Sandberg is one of the biggest middle schools and West Potomac (and Mt Vernon since Sandberg is the AAP for Whitman) barely send anyone to TJ.

Three of the four current classes at TJ have been admitted under the new system that included middle school quotas, with other students admitted from a general pool.

This year there are 22 kids living within Mount Vernon's boundaries attending TJ, and 29 living within West Potomac's boundaries.

Based on the middle school quotas alone, through this year, there would be about 30 kids at TJ coming from Sandburg and about 20 from Whitman, assuming students applied and accepted offers of admission to TJ. That number (50) isn't too different from the combined 51 TJ students currently living within the West Potomac and Mount Vernon boundaries. Presumably the number would increase next year with all four classes admitted under the new system.

Maybe that's not as big a change as the School Board anticipated when they changed the TJ admissions process, but as long as a substantial number of TJ kids get admitted from the general pool, rather than from the school-based quotas, the odds were that the families that found a way to get their kids into TJ under the old system would find a way to get their kids in under the new system. If they want to change that, they could go to a system based entirely on middle school quotas, but then they would need to deal with the fact that this would add more kids to several already crowded high schools (Chantilly, McLean, and Oakton).

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Anonymous wrote:It appears these are the schools sending 25 or more kids to another school other than TJ this year:

Mount Vernon to Hayfield (186)
Herndon to South Lakes (157)
Robinson to Lake Braddock (99)
Annandale to Lake Braddock (90)
Hayfield to Edison (64)
Lewis to Edison (50)
West Springfield to Lake Braddock (46)
Langley to McLean (46) [as noted above, this is likely a "funny number" based on how FCPS classifies kids grandfathered under the 2021 Langley/McLean boundary change]
Edison to Hayfield (38)
Westfield to South Lakes (34)
Marshall to Madison (33)
Falls Church to Annandale (30)
West Potomac to Mount Vernon (30)
South Lakes to Langley (29)
Westfield to Chantilly (25)
Hayfield to Lake Braddock (25)

Where are the other Marshall students going besides Madison?

It looks like there are 105 kids transferring out of Marshall this year to schools other than TJ, including to Madison (33), Langley (16), and McLean (12). So those three schools account for 61 of the 105 transfers. Other Marshall kids transferred to Fairfax, Justice, Lake Braddock, Lewis, Mount Vernon, Oakton, and Woodson, but FCPS does not provide the specific numbers when fewer than 10 kids transfer from one school to another.

I also think that the Marshall transfer locations are skewed bc Falls Church is undergoing renovation. I believe they used to take more Marshall students wanting AP.

I didn’t realize these schools still took transfers. I have one who I believe will do well in IB and another who would likely do better with AP. But Falls Church HS is too far for us. Rumor has it that Madison would take athletes (which my kid isn’t) even though that’s not a valid reason for transfer.

Anonymous wrote:When are they going to get rid of IB schools?

I hope they don’t get rid of it. At least not at Marshall and SL where it’s implemented well.

When are they going to get rid of IB schools?

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Anonymous wrote:LOL more kids from McLean get into TJ than Langley. So there. LOL

McLean has several hundred more kids than Langley (and Longfellow has several hundred more kids than Cooper) so that's no surprise. Some admissions now are based purely on the size of the 8th grade middle school classes.

Sandberg is one of the biggest middle schools and West Potomac (and Mt Vernon since Sandberg is the AAP for Whitman) barely send anyone to TJ.

Anonymous wrote:LOL more kids from McLean get into TJ than Langley. So there. LOL

McLean has several hundred more kids than Langley (and Longfellow has several hundred more kids than Cooper) so that's no surprise. Some admissions now are based purely on the size of the 8th grade middle school classes.

LOL more kids from McLean get into TJ than Langley. So there. LOL

Anonymous wrote:The transition from South Lakes to Langley presents a curious scenario. Apparently, a significant number of sophomores and freshmen from Carson Middle who missed out on admission to TJ opted for Langley instead.

This raises questions about the benefits for these students. Langley's academic reputation is largely attributed to parents investing in tutoring, with expenses exceeding $1,000 monthly and over $5,000 for college advisory services. Those unable to afford such costs might find themselves at a disadvantage. Moreover, during college applications, these students are up against peers whose families can afford early decision applications without financial aid or benefit from legacy admissions. Additionally, the longer commute to Langley might limit their time for self-study and after-school activities.

It would be intriguing to analyze the long-term outcomes for these students.

The only schools sending 10 or more kids to Langley this year are South Lakes (29), Marshall (16), Westfield (13), and Herndon (11). That's not going to have much impact on any of those schools, given their size.

South Lakes kids live closer to other AP schools with capacity than Langley (e.g., Herndon, Madison), so presumably they have to do something like agree to take Chinese or Russian to attend Langley unless there's some other factor justifying a pupil placement. Same for the kids from Westfield and Herndon, since they are AP schools. If they are prepared to do that, and Langley has space, there's no reason to stop them. If their parents can arrange for their transportation, they may be able to pay for the extra tutoring you claim Langley kids are getting as well. And if they conclude later that they would be "better off" attending their base schools, nothing stops them from not renewing the pupil placement.

Marshall is a different situation, because Langley's currently the closest AP school with available capacity for some Marshall kids, so you could pupil place there for AP without having to take a particular foreign language offered at Langley but not Marshall (e.g., Japanese, Russian). Overall, there are fewer kids pupil placing out of Marshall to AP schools than there were years ago when Madison, McLean, and Falls Church all had extra capacity.

Anonymous wrote:Westfield is around 40% FARMs I believe. Not a low percentage.

33% last year so close to county average, really.

Westfield is around 40% FARMs I believe. Not a low percentage.

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Anonymous wrote:It appears these are the schools sending 25 or more kids to another school other than TJ this year:

Mount Vernon to Hayfield (186)
Herndon to South Lakes (157)
Robinson to Lake Braddock (99)
Annandale to Lake Braddock (90)
Hayfield to Edison (64)
Lewis to Edison (50)
West Springfield to Lake Braddock (46)
Langley to McLean (46) [as noted above, this is likely a "funny number" based on how FCPS classifies kids grandfathered under the 2021 Langley/McLean boundary change]
Edison to Hayfield (38)
Westfield to South Lakes (34)
Marshall to Madison (33)
Falls Church to Annandale (30)
West Potomac to Mount Vernon (30)
South Lakes to Langley (29)
Westfield to Chantilly (25)
Hayfield to Lake Braddock (25)

Where are the other Marshall students going besides Madison?

It looks like there are 105 kids transferring out of Marshall this year to schools other than TJ, including to Madison (33), Langley (16), and McLean (12). So those three schools account for 61 of the 105 transfers. Other Marshall kids transferred to Fairfax, Justice, Lake Braddock, Lewis, Mount Vernon, Oakton, and Woodson, but FCPS does not provide the specific numbers when fewer than 10 kids transfer from one school to another.

I also think that the Marshall transfer locations are skewed bc Falls Church is undergoing renovation. I believe they used to take more Marshall students wanting AP.

The transition from South Lakes to Langley presents a curious scenario. Apparently, a significant number of sophomores and freshmen from Carson Middle who missed out on admission to TJ opted for Langley instead.

This raises questions about the benefits for these students. Langley's academic reputation is largely attributed to parents investing in tutoring, with expenses exceeding $1,000 monthly and over $5,000 for college advisory services. Those unable to afford such costs might find themselves at a disadvantage. Moreover, during college applications, these students are up against peers whose families can afford early decision applications without financial aid or benefit from legacy admissions. Additionally, the longer commute to Langley might limit their time for self-study and after-school activities.

It would be intriguing to analyze the long-term outcomes for these students.