Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not even gonna bring Europe into this since their “urbanism” is village/college campus vibes

I mean Shanghai, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Singapore, shenzen, Beijing, Seoul, Jakarta, Taipei, Bangkok etc

Asian cities are amazing

Mohave you actually lived in all these cities? I developed four skin conditions in Jakarta as the pollution was so bad … air quality reports for Beijing regularly place it at levels as incompatible with human life.

I love Asian food and much of the vibrant culture but find the pollution and extreme poverty hard to deal with. Singapore is the exception on both counts.

Yes fool I lived in Shanghai and Tokyo

Why throw an unnecessary insult in there? This does not make Asian cities seem more appealing.

Two Asian cities doth not an Asian summer make .

Too big a claim with too little empirical evidence .

Anonymous wrote:Not even gonna bring Europe into this since their “urbanism” is village/college campus vibes

I mean Shanghai, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Singapore, shenzen, Beijing, Seoul, Jakarta, Taipei, Bangkok etc

Asian cities are amazing

No city is perfect. I've spent time in six of those cities.

Good and bad in different ways.

The Chinese cities in particular - not sure why you are feeling the love for Shenzhen

Going to guess its the authoritarianism

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not even gonna bring Europe into this since their “urbanism” is village/college campus vibes

I mean Shanghai, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Singapore, shenzen, Beijing, Seoul, Jakarta, Taipei, Bangkok etc

Asian cities are amazing

Mohave you actually lived in all these cities? I developed four skin conditions in Jakarta as the pollution was so bad … air quality reports for Beijing regularly place it at levels as incompatible with human life.

I love Asian food and much of the vibrant culture but find the pollution and extreme poverty hard to deal with. Singapore is the exception on both counts.

Yes fool I lived in Shanghai and Tokyo

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Urbanism in America is associated with being poor, hence we see a host of issues related to poverty.

In Asian countries, the wealthy live in he urban core. They do not migrate to the suburbs. Suburbs are still for people who cannot afford the core.

There are a lot of poors in the urban areas in Asian countries. They are just hidden, and there aren't as many homeless people. The US has a lot more regulations and laws that are supposed to prevent unsafe, cramped apartments. Asian countries have more lax laws around that so poor people are able to find crap housing more readily.

Watch the movie Parasite (Seoul); there was also an incident not that long ago where torrential rainfalls caused flooding in Seoul, and some people who lived in these unsafe basement apartments died. There was a call to regulate these better.

Have you never seen pictures of the cramped apartments in Hong Kong with their cage like apartments?

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2017/jun/07/boxed-life-inside-hong-kong-coffin-cubicles-cage-homes-in-pictures

They are better at "sweeping the homeless under the rug".

Is it sweeping the homeless under the rug or preserving safe and orderly public spaces for citizens?

I lived for years in a large Asian city in an Asian country that was poor. I lived a lifestyle that was middle class for that country, so much poorer than most US expats. Unlike the US, I was never assaulted or screamed at or called a slur by the homeless individuals I encountered. The public transportation that I used with other middle class and lower middle class locals was largely clean of garbage and did not small of BO or urine. Rich People were not robbed of their expensive clothing or jewelry in the streets.

You may not like it, but the OP makes a point regarding the cultural norms of behavior in public spaces as well as urban patterns of criminality.

That’s right, in Asia you just get assaulted by the teachers!

Anonymous wrote:Not even gonna bring Europe into this since their “urbanism” is village/college campus vibes

I mean Shanghai, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Singapore, shenzen, Beijing, Seoul, Jakarta, Taipei, Bangkok etc

Asian cities are amazing

Mohave you actually lived in all these cities? I developed four skin conditions in Jakarta as the pollution was so bad … air quality reports for Beijing regularly place it at levels as incompatible with human life.

I love Asian food and much of the vibrant culture but find the pollution and extreme poverty hard to deal with. Singapore is the exception on both counts.

This question can't be answered. You have not stated what is so "gross" about American urbanism. Lame. This just puts a divide between the races. Do better.

Anonymous wrote:Sheesh you get arrested in Singapore for littering.

And this is fundamentally why many Asian cities are so nice, orderly and clean.

Severe punishment for even the tiniest infractions, along with a strong desire to not bring dishonor on your family.

If the US had these two elements, we’d be just as orderly, clean and safe as Shanghai. But we don’t. We have generations of people raised by single parents, and we coddle and revere our criminal class, and protest when the police hurt their feelings.

This country is a dumpster fire and it’s our own fault.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Urbanism in America is associated with being poor, hence we see a host of issues related to poverty.

In Asian countries, the wealthy live in he urban core. They do not migrate to the suburbs. Suburbs are still for people who cannot afford the core.

There are a lot of poors in the urban areas in Asian countries. They are just hidden, and there aren't as many homeless people. The US has a lot more regulations and laws that are supposed to prevent unsafe, cramped apartments. Asian countries have more lax laws around that so poor people are able to find crap housing more readily.

Watch the movie Parasite (Seoul); there was also an incident not that long ago where torrential rainfalls caused flooding in Seoul, and some people who lived in these unsafe basement apartments died. There was a call to regulate these better.

Have you never seen pictures of the cramped apartments in Hong Kong with their cage like apartments?

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2017/jun/07/boxed-life-inside-hong-kong-coffin-cubicles-cage-homes-in-pictures

They are better at "sweeping the homeless under the rug".

Is it sweeping the homeless under the rug or preserving safe and orderly public spaces for citizens?

I lived for years in a large Asian city in an Asian country that was poor. I lived a lifestyle that was middle class for that country, so much poorer than most US expats. Unlike the US, I was never assaulted or screamed at or called a slur by the homeless individuals I encountered. The public transportation that I used with other middle class and lower middle class locals was largely clean of garbage and did not small of BO or urine. Rich People were not robbed of their expensive clothing or jewelry in the streets.

You may not like it, but the OP makes a point regarding the cultural norms of behavior in public spaces as well as urban patterns of criminality.

Not arguing about whether it's good or bad to "sweep them under the rug".

My post was in response to the ^PP: "In Asian countries, the wealthy live in he urban core. They do not migrate to the suburbs. ".

Point is that there are a lot poor people in urban areas in Asia. You just don't see them on the streets because they are living in dungeons and cages. As I stated in the my post, having people live in those dungeons is not safe. But, I guess as long as you don't have to see them on the streets, then it's "preserving safe and orderly public spaces for its citizens".

I am Asian American. A lot of Asian cultures have a "face saving" attitude where they don't want to see or have foreigners see the worse parts of the country. Yes, it is cultural. Those countries also did not have redlining, which still impacts some cities in the US today.

Anonymous wrote:Average Asian cities have 950 fewer armed carjackings in 2023, compared to Washington D.C.

Average US cities have 959 fewer carjackings compared to DC.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Psychiatric beds per 100,000 population:



Probably because they institutionalize their crazies rather than letting them wander around murdering, raping, stealing, and pissing on sidewalks.

Interesting! As a country we moved away from institutionalization for various reasons.
Are their facilities nice and humane?

Lots more restraints https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14052381

Anonymous wrote:Psychiatric beds per 100,000 population:



Probably because they institutionalize their crazies rather than letting them wander around murdering, raping, stealing, and pissing on sidewalks.

Interesting! As a country we moved away from institutionalization for various reasons.
Are their facilities nice and humane?

Average Asian cities have 950 fewer armed carjackings in 2023, compared to Washington D.C.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Urbanism in America is associated with being poor, hence we see a host of issues related to poverty.

In Asian countries, the wealthy live in he urban core. They do not migrate to the suburbs. Suburbs are still for people who cannot afford the core.

There are a lot of poors in the urban areas in Asian countries. They are just hidden, and there aren't as many homeless people. The US has a lot more regulations and laws that are supposed to prevent unsafe, cramped apartments. Asian countries have more lax laws around that so poor people are able to find crap housing more readily.

Watch the movie Parasite (Seoul); there was also an incident not that long ago where torrential rainfalls caused flooding in Seoul, and some people who lived in these unsafe basement apartments died. There was a call to regulate these better.

Have you never seen pictures of the cramped apartments in Hong Kong with their cage like apartments?

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2017/jun/07/boxed-life-inside-hong-kong-coffin-cubicles-cage-homes-in-pictures

They are better at "sweeping the homeless under the rug".

Is it sweeping the homeless under the rug or preserving safe and orderly public spaces for citizens?

I lived for years in a large Asian city in an Asian country that was poor. I lived a lifestyle that was middle class for that country, so much poorer than most US expats. Unlike the US, I was never assaulted or screamed at or called a slur by the homeless individuals I encountered. The public transportation that I used with other middle class and lower middle class locals was largely clean of garbage and did not small of BO or urine. Rich People were not robbed of their expensive clothing or jewelry in the streets.

You may not like it, but the OP makes a point regarding the cultural norms of behavior in public spaces as well as urban patterns of criminality.

Psychiatric beds per 100,000 population:



Probably because they institutionalize their crazies rather than letting them wander around murdering, raping, stealing, and pissing on sidewalks.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Troll post. My guess is OP has only been to certain high-end parts of those Asian cities, including Shenzhen (spelling corrected).

OP, walk into a regular person apartment building (not the uber rich) in Chaoyang District in Beijing. Report back.

+1
Way to embarrass yourself, OP.

I bet there is a lot less crime in these areas vs similar economic levels in the us

The Americas as a whole is a lot more criminal minded than Asia controlling for income and wealth

Um, about that...

It may look different to you, but the doesn't mean it's not crime