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Anonymous wrote:I've never met a healthy vegan. They are either women with eating disorders or people who do vegan for several months and then quit because they are constantly craving animal foods. Not until they've told everyone how great they feel while experiencing 24-7 hunger pangs.

What? I have met hundreds of healthy vegans. They eat high protein foods like beans, tofu, and chia. You can’t beat the vitamins from all colorful fruits and vegetables. Add in complex carbohydrates like brown rice and quinoa and you have low cholesterol, high energy, and little fat around the waist.

I seriously doubt you’ve met hundreds of healthy vegans. All this sounds great in theory, but in practice most people don’t eat the way they should for optimal health. It takes enormous effort and there are many vegans who have reasons for veganism that are not grounded in good health.

And non vegans are magically great at healthy diets? Come on. I am not a vegan, but I can see bad logic when it's right in front of me.

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Anonymous wrote:I've never met a healthy vegan. They are either women with eating disorders or people who do vegan for several months and then quit because they are constantly craving animal foods. Not until they've told everyone how great they feel while experiencing 24-7 hunger pangs.

What? I have met hundreds of healthy vegans. They eat high protein foods like beans, tofu, and chia. You can’t beat the vitamins from all colorful fruits and vegetables. Add in complex carbohydrates like brown rice and quinoa and you have low cholesterol, high energy, and little fat around the waist.

I seriously doubt you’ve met hundreds of healthy vegans. All this sounds great in theory, but in practice most people don’t eat the way they should for optimal health. It takes enormous effort and there are many vegans who have reasons for veganism that are not grounded in good health.

VegFest draws very large crowds every year. Yes it's very easy to meet hundreds of healthy vegans.

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Anonymous wrote:I've never met a healthy vegan. They are either women with eating disorders or people who do vegan for several months and then quit because they are constantly craving animal foods. Not until they've told everyone how great they feel while experiencing 24-7 hunger pangs.

What? I have met hundreds of healthy vegans. They eat high protein foods like beans, tofu, and chia. You can’t beat the vitamins from all colorful fruits and vegetables. Add in complex carbohydrates like brown rice and quinoa and you have low cholesterol, high energy, and little fat around the waist.

I seriously doubt you’ve met hundreds of healthy vegans. All this sounds great in theory, but in practice most people don’t eat the way they should for optimal health. It takes enormous effort and there are many vegans who have reasons for veganism that are not grounded in good health.

Anonymous wrote:I've never met a healthy vegan. They are either women with eating disorders or people who do vegan for several months and then quit because they are constantly craving animal foods. Not until they've told everyone how great they feel while experiencing 24-7 hunger pangs.

What? I have met hundreds of healthy vegans. They eat high protein foods like beans, tofu, and chia. You can’t beat the vitamins from all colorful fruits and vegetables. Add in complex carbohydrates like brown rice and quinoa and you have low cholesterol, high energy, and little fat around the waist.

Oysters! They don't feel pain, clean the ocean, and have 8 grams of protein each. Same with mussels. They are high in protein, no central nervous system, and good for the ocean.

OP here and thanks for all the input. I should have provided more context but didn’t want to get in the weeds. I’m an omnivore but I’ve long considered veganism for environmental reasons. I can’t see how to reconcile veganism with my doctor’s recommendation to get more lean protein and my bones are at risk. I may try to find a middle ground, eating more tofu, beans, quinoa, nuts, whole grains, eggs, and seafood.

I've never met a healthy vegan. They are either women with eating disorders or people who do vegan for several months and then quit because they are constantly craving animal foods. Not until they've told everyone how great they feel while experiencing 24-7 hunger pangs.

Those are really low calories and it will be hard to hit those protein goals without eating any animals products. Garden of Life makes a good vegan protein powder and they offer one without sweeteners. Tofu, tempeh, and high protein beans like lupini will help get you there. I would consider adding in weight lifting so you can up your calories, and to help with your loss of muscle and bone mass.

I couldn’t do it. I’m back to eating eggs, poultry, and fish after 13 years.

Have you considered counting macros instead of just calories/protein? I eat many more calories this way (and more like 150g of protein) which ironically may be easier to do. I found that most vegan sources of protein were either high in carbs or fat and this approach allows more wiggle room on the calories. My suggested numbers were 145g protein, 155g carbs and 55g fat.

One block of super firm tofu is already 70g protein.

If you aren't super low carb, it's easy to get protein with whole grain cereal/breads.

Too hard. I had to include meat to hit protein macros.

Why did your dr tell you to eat 90-100 grams of protein per day?

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Anonymous wrote:You really need to consume a large quantity of food to get to a high protein vegan diet. Which can be difficult to do if you are not hungry.

I just watched a new documentary on netflix You Are What You Eat: A Twin Experiment, about sets of identical Twins on two different diets -

1 twin was on a ominvore diet
1 twin was on a vegan diet

Both received a healthy diet plan. Then they monitored health, energy, muscle mass, fat (including viseral fat), even sexual urges based on before and after for each twin.

And what was the result?

the documentary is vegan-biased, so I think you know what the "results" were

Not really. The results were a bit all over.

There were four sets of twins that they followed in the film (though more were enrolled in the study). Some lost muscle mass, and vegans had a more difficult time maintaining muscle, but their health numbers did improve. If you are interested in gaining or maintaining muscle mass, I would stick with a healthy omnivore diet instead. If you are interested in improving health, but don't really care about about the scale or body comp, then go with the vegan diet.

Here's the actual study - https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2812392

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Anonymous wrote:You really need to consume a large quantity of food to get to a high protein vegan diet. Which can be difficult to do if you are not hungry.

I just watched a new documentary on netflix You Are What You Eat: A Twin Experiment, about sets of identical Twins on two different diets -

1 twin was on a ominvore diet
1 twin was on a vegan diet

Both received a healthy diet plan. Then they monitored health, energy, muscle mass, fat (including viseral fat), even sexual urges based on before and after for each twin.

And what was the result?

the documentary is vegan-biased, so I think you know what the "results" were

Anonymous wrote:You really need to consume a large quantity of food to get to a high protein vegan diet. Which can be difficult to do if you are not hungry.

I just watched a new documentary on netflix You Are What You Eat: A Twin Experiment, about sets of identical Twins on two different diets -

1 twin was on a ominvore diet
1 twin was on a vegan diet

Both received a healthy diet plan. Then they monitored health, energy, muscle mass, fat (including viseral fat), even sexual urges based on before and after for each twin.

And what was the result?