Anonymous
01/04/2024 13:27
Subject: Re:Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think more than disorder, the risk with an American flight is that we will have few 300 lb + people and they will derail the entire thing, I am not joking. Seriously obese people are a huge risk when it comes to flight evacuations, keep in mind that Japanese have no such issues and they can all move efficiently and quickly.
I’m the flight attendant PP and it’s not often we see people that large. They typically require seatbelt extensions, which some bring but many have to ask for, and we do check for them. It’s very infrequent that I encounter a pax like this. Maybe 50 times last year out of tens of thousands of passengers, if not more.
The bigger problem in an evacuation are parents wit children, or parents (mom in one row with one kid(s), dad in another with other kid(s) who want to exit together. This is an issue in standard deplaning, too. They want to exit together and bog down the process waiting.
I would think single parent situations are worse. I’ve travelled with my kids as toddlers and been separated from one. It would be a nightmare in an emergency like this recent crash.
You’d think, but a mom with all her kids with her goes into protective mode and does what needs to be done. The issue arises when mom wants to make sure her other chicks get off the plane, too, but she can’t get to them.
I misread what you said, but yes. Essentially, parents separated from their children, no matter who they are/aren’t with, is the most challenging.
Anonymous
01/04/2024 13:24
Subject: Re:Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think more than disorder, the risk with an American flight is that we will have few 300 lb + people and they will derail the entire thing, I am not joking. Seriously obese people are a huge risk when it comes to flight evacuations, keep in mind that Japanese have no such issues and they can all move efficiently and quickly.
I’m the flight attendant PP and it’s not often we see people that large. They typically require seatbelt extensions, which some bring but many have to ask for, and we do check for them. It’s very infrequent that I encounter a pax like this. Maybe 50 times last year out of tens of thousands of passengers, if not more.
The bigger problem in an evacuation are parents wit children, or parents (mom in one row with one kid(s), dad in another with other kid(s) who want to exit together. This is an issue in standard deplaning, too. They want to exit together and bog down the process waiting.
I would think single parent situations are worse. I’ve travelled with my kids as toddlers and been separated from one. It would be a nightmare in an emergency like this recent crash.
You’d think, but a mom with all her kids with her goes into protective mode and does what needs to be done. The issue arises when mom wants to make sure her other chicks get off the plane, too, but she can’t get to them.
Anonymous
01/04/2024 13:21
Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
DCUM would first form a committee to elect a subcommittee that would determine the most optimal way to deplane.
Anonymous
01/04/2024 13:17
Subject: Re:Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think more than disorder, the risk with an American flight is that we will have few 300 lb + people and they will derail the entire thing, I am not joking. Seriously obese people are a huge risk when it comes to flight evacuations, keep in mind that Japanese have no such issues and they can all move efficiently and quickly.
I’m the flight attendant PP and it’s not often we see people that large. They typically require seatbelt extensions, which some bring but many have to ask for, and we do check for them. It’s very infrequent that I encounter a pax like this. Maybe 50 times last year out of tens of thousands of passengers, if not more.
The bigger problem in an evacuation are parents wit children, or parents (mom in one row with one kid(s), dad in another with other kid(s) who want to exit together. This is an issue in standard deplaning, too. They want to exit together and bog down the process waiting.
I would think single parent situations are worse. I’ve travelled with my kids as toddlers and been separated from one. It would be a nightmare in an emergency like this recent crash.
Anonymous
01/04/2024 13:17
Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
The Japanese have a very civil and respectful society, we do not.
This. It's embarassing but lately I've gone down a rabbit hole of stupid, uncooperative people getting arrested. So much body camera footage on youtube. Somehow, they're all from Florida. But anyway, the number of people who know nothing about the law and are convinced they know more than the professionals is frightening.
I know most people are cooperative when they interact with cops, but if even one person like this is on your plane in an emergency you're in trouble.
Anonymous
01/04/2024 13:12
Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
This evacuation was amazing. But there’s a potential downsize to being too compliant. I think back to the ship that went down with the Korean high school students — maybe 10 years ago. The captain said wait in your cabins. The kids who died were mostly the ones who complied. The ones who went on deck and or grabbed life jackets were the ones who survived the most. Planes versus ships are different. Just saying you have to give some credit to common sense in any situation. In this jet crash with jet fuel burning, common sense says moving out in an orderly manner and NOt grabbing your carry-ins is the quickest way out.
Anonymous
01/04/2024 13:06
Subject: Re:Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:I think more than disorder, the risk with an American flight is that we will have few 300 lb + people and they will derail the entire thing, I am not joking. Seriously obese people are a huge risk when it comes to flight evacuations, keep in mind that Japanese have no such issues and they can all move efficiently and quickly.
I’m the flight attendant PP and it’s not often we see people that large. They typically require seatbelt extensions, which some bring but many have to ask for, and we do check for them. It’s very infrequent that I encounter a pax like this. Maybe 50 times last year out of tens of thousands of passengers, if not more.
The bigger problem in an evacuation are parents wit children, or parents (mom in one row with one kid(s), dad in another with other kid(s) who want to exit together. This is an issue in standard deplaning, too. They want to exit together and bog down the process waiting.
Anonymous
01/04/2024 13:05
Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Seems like a good reason to travel with your absolute must have items (like phone l, keys and wallet) in your pocket. If you have those items you can forget the rest (unless you have a pet stowed under the seat or a child. Not leaving those behind.)
Anonymous
01/04/2024 12:59
Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
I live in Naples, Italy and boarding and deplaning a regular flight not on fire is a next level experience requiring insane patience. They do clap when the plane lands though which is humorous to me.
Anonymous
01/04/2024 12:58
Subject: Re:Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think more than disorder, the risk with an American flight is that we will have few 300 lb + people and they will derail the entire thing, I am not joking. Seriously obese people are a huge risk when it comes to flight evacuations, keep in mind that Japanese have no such issues and they can all move efficiently and quickly.
Do you have a source for that assertion?
Yes, it's called common sense. A 360 lb woman can't move with the same agility of a 140 lb woman, laws of physics apply.
How odd to single out obese women? Clearly you have a weight obsession.
Anonymous
01/04/2024 12:56
Subject: Re:Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think more than disorder, the risk with an American flight is that we will have few 300 lb + people and they will derail the entire thing, I am not joking. Seriously obese people are a huge risk when it comes to flight evacuations, keep in mind that Japanese have no such issues and they can all move efficiently and quickly.
Do you have a source for that assertion?
Of course not. Pp can't think about anything but weight.
Yes, it's called common sense. A 360 lb woman can't move with the same agility of a 140 lb woman, laws of physics apply.
Anonymous
01/04/2024 12:55
Subject: Re:Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think more than disorder, the risk with an American flight is that we will have few 300 lb + people and they will derail the entire thing, I am not joking. Seriously obese people are a huge risk when it comes to flight evacuations, keep in mind that Japanese have no such issues and they can all move efficiently and quickly.
Do you have a source for that assertion?
Yes, it's called common sense. A 360 lb woman can't move with the same agility of a 140 lb woman, laws of physics apply.
Anonymous
01/04/2024 12:52
Subject: Re:Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:I think more than disorder, the risk with an American flight is that we will have few 300 lb + people and they will derail the entire thing, I am not joking. Seriously obese people are a huge risk when it comes to flight evacuations, keep in mind that Japanese have no such issues and they can all move efficiently and quickly.
Do you have a source for that assertion?
Anonymous
01/04/2024 12:48
Subject: Re:Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
I think more than disorder, the risk with an American flight is that we will have few 300 lb + people and they will derail the entire thing, I am not joking. Seriously obese people are a huge risk when it comes to flight evacuations, keep in mind that Japanese have no such issues and they can all move efficiently and quickly.
Anonymous
01/04/2024 12:32
Subject: Do you think American passengers would have evacuated as timely/orderly as JAL 516 passengers during fire emergency?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s shocking to think that Americans would block the aisle in an evacuation to get their luggage from overhead, yet that is what they would do. Conversely other Americans are not confident or active enough to just push past. So we would have Doug from Omaha holding up the evacuation in the aisle because he MUST bring his bag, while everyone behind him just stands there looking dumb and not taking action.
I’m the FA from above. It’s not just Americans, Canadians are almost worse! Especially on Canadian-bound US-departing flights. It’s like they have something to prove. Certain Europeans tend to be pretty awful, too. Asian passengers are the most cooperative and well behaved pax.
The French would all certainly perish. Getting on an Air France flight is like the third circle of hell.
I see you and raise you French-Canadians!