Anonymous
Post 01/10/2024 19:33     Subject: Iowa test
Anonymous wrote:Threads like these always seem to attract the math-phobic liars. If your child is a 99th percentile type, has been crushing the SOLs for years, easily qualifies for Algebra through the IAAT, and is supported by the kid's 6th grade AAP teacher, the kid will be fine in 7th grade Algebra. No damage will be done by accelerating the kid. No additional foundations are needed. There will be no high school teachers complaining about kids like yours being overaccelerated.

It's absurd to suggest that the same track that is appropriate for above average kids is appropriate for gifted ones. It's also absurd to imagine that high school teachers are complaining about gifted kids taking Algebra in 7th grade. To be perfectly honest, kids who are gifted and additionally are taking AoPS or RSM classes probably are smarter and more knowledgeable about math than their high school teachers.



Wow. One has to wonder why anyone would bother enrolling such children in school at all, given they already know everything the teachers know and more. I bet the teachers all told you that, too, that your child knew more about math and was smarter than they were. Or is your child's unmistakable genius another thing those stupid teachers just don't understand?
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2024 19:27     Subject: Iowa test
Does FCPS do this test?
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2024 19:23     Subject: Iowa test
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am not sure, but if you have to worry about this - don't have your kid take Algebra.


Just don't have your 7th grader take algebra, period. I've had more than one HS math teacher bemoan that it's even offered. Kids need another solid year of fundamentals. Your genius will still rise to the top, don't worry. We're opting out our 6th grade AAP student from the Iowa test all together.


I think someone said this on a different thread re Honors/AAP courses and whether one should sign up or take it easy by going regular route. You give your child the opportunity to succeed and allow them the grace to fail, without judgment. Taking advanced math earlier is not a bad idea. What's a bad idea is to associate performance metrics associated with taking the class (i.e., must get all As). I don't have a genius math kid, but I have a kid that likes math and seems to be doing OK in 6th grade AAP and maintaining good grades on exams. I don't think it's a good idea to ever hold back this kid if they like a subject and isn't falling behind. If nothing else, your kid will learn Algebra concepts earlier, maybe struggle through some concepts, but will still come out ahead on the learning (even if they decided to repeat it). Holding kids back in any subject isn't a way to develop or encourage a growth mindset.

[The above doesn't apply to the 6th grade AAP kid that is still struggling with multiplication. There are some! Obviously between the SOL test threshold and the IAAT, these kids will be screened out anyway.]


I'm all for challenging students and pushing them to think deeply and apply their knowledge; however, Algebra in 7 counts as high school credit, so there is an issue with letting them try and fail. Then you have to go through the (unguaranteed) rigamarole of expunging a grade and the pride hit for repeating the course.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2024 19:17     Subject: Iowa test
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am not sure, but if you have to worry about this - don't have your kid take Algebra.


Just don't have your 7th grader take algebra, period. I've had more than one HS math teacher bemoan that it's even offered. Kids need another solid year of fundamentals. Your genius will still rise to the top, don't worry. We're opting out our 6th grade AAP student from the Iowa test all together.


My kids have thrived throughout high school math after taking Algebra in or before 7th grade. Holding them back, as you propose, would have been a wasted year with the boredom potentially turning them off of math altogether. It's probably true that *your* kids need another solid year of fundamentals, but many kids who are smarter at math do not.

I have not encountered a single high school math teacher who has bemoaned having my kids accelerated into their class.


I'm certain your kids' math skills must be sharper than your attitude. Nasty.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2024 18:39     Subject: Re:Iowa test
We heard our kids IAAT test date, it is in the last week of February. I am not sure if other people have been getting dates sent home but I thought people might be interested.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2024 18:18     Subject: Iowa test
Threads like these always seem to attract the math-phobic liars. If your child is a 99th percentile type, has been crushing the SOLs for years, easily qualifies for Algebra through the IAAT, and is supported by the kid's 6th grade AAP teacher, the kid will be fine in 7th grade Algebra. No damage will be done by accelerating the kid. No additional foundations are needed. There will be no high school teachers complaining about kids like yours being overaccelerated.

It's absurd to suggest that the same track that is appropriate for above average kids is appropriate for gifted ones. It's also absurd to imagine that high school teachers are complaining about gifted kids taking Algebra in 7th grade. To be perfectly honest, kids who are gifted and additionally are taking AoPS or RSM classes probably are smarter and more knowledgeable about math than their high school teachers.

Anonymous
Post 01/10/2024 18:15     Subject: Iowa test
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am not sure, but if you have to worry about this - don't have your kid take Algebra.


Just don't have your 7th grader take algebra, period. I've had more than one HS math teacher bemoan that it's even offered. Kids need another solid year of fundamentals. Your genius will still rise to the top, don't worry. We're opting out our 6th grade AAP student from the Iowa test all together.


My kids have thrived throughout high school math after taking Algebra in or before 7th grade. Holding them back, as you propose, would have been a wasted year with the boredom potentially turning them off of math altogether. It's probably true that *your* kids need another solid year of fundamentals, but many kids who are smarter at math do not.

I have not encountered a single high school math teacher who has bemoaned having my kids accelerated into their class.


Why would the teacher complain to a parent? It's an extremely common complaint that HS math teachers have, but complaining to the parents won't change anything. Your kid is already in the class, the damage has been done.

What damage? My kids have always had easy As and easy 5s on the AP tests. The teachers have gushed over how great they are. You’re literally the only person who thinks they would have benefitted in any way from waiting a year for Algebra.


Of course they did.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2024 17:53     Subject: Iowa test
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am not sure, but if you have to worry about this - don't have your kid take Algebra.


Just don't have your 7th grader take algebra, period. I've had more than one HS math teacher bemoan that it's even offered. Kids need another solid year of fundamentals. Your genius will still rise to the top, don't worry. We're opting out our 6th grade AAP student from the Iowa test all together.


My kids have thrived throughout high school math after taking Algebra in or before 7th grade. Holding them back, as you propose, would have been a wasted year with the boredom potentially turning them off of math altogether. It's probably true that *your* kids need another solid year of fundamentals, but many kids who are smarter at math do not.

I have not encountered a single high school math teacher who has bemoaned having my kids accelerated into their class.


Why would the teacher complain to a parent? It's an extremely common complaint that HS math teachers have, but complaining to the parents won't change anything. Your kid is already in the class, the damage has been done.

What damage? My kids have always had easy As and easy 5s on the AP tests. The teachers have gushed over how great they are. You’re literally the only person who thinks they would have benefitted in any way from waiting a year for Algebra.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2024 17:40     Subject: Iowa test
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am not sure, but if you have to worry about this - don't have your kid take Algebra.


Just don't have your 7th grader take algebra, period. I've had more than one HS math teacher bemoan that it's even offered. Kids need another solid year of fundamentals. Your genius will still rise to the top, don't worry. We're opting out our 6th grade AAP student from the Iowa test all together.


My kids have thrived throughout high school math after taking Algebra in or before 7th grade. Holding them back, as you propose, would have been a wasted year with the boredom potentially turning them off of math altogether. It's probably true that *your* kids need another solid year of fundamentals, but many kids who are smarter at math do not.

I have not encountered a single high school math teacher who has bemoaned having my kids accelerated into their class.


Why would the teacher complain to a parent? It's an extremely common complaint that HS math teachers have, but complaining to the parents won't change anything. Your kid is already in the class, the damage has been done.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2024 12:09     Subject: Iowa test
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am not sure, but if you have to worry about this - don't have your kid take Algebra.


Just don't have your 7th grader take algebra, period. I've had more than one HS math teacher bemoan that it's even offered. Kids need another solid year of fundamentals. Your genius will still rise to the top, don't worry. We're opting out our 6th grade AAP student from the Iowa test all together.


My kids have thrived throughout high school math after taking Algebra in or before 7th grade. Holding them back, as you propose, would have been a wasted year with the boredom potentially turning them off of math altogether. It's probably true that *your* kids need another solid year of fundamentals, but many kids who are smarter at math do not.

I have not encountered a single high school math teacher who has bemoaned having my kids accelerated into their class.


I Appreciate hearing this perspective bc I’ve heard a lot of people try to argue against algebra in 7th. DS is currently 6th AAP, consistently scores 100s on tests (w/o studying outside of school and no stress), 99% iready and teacher says w/o question he should be in algebra next year. Why would I hold him back for fundamentals he already seems to have?
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2024 11:58     Subject: Iowa test
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am not sure, but if you have to worry about this - don't have your kid take Algebra.


Just don't have your 7th grader take algebra, period. I've had more than one HS math teacher bemoan that it's even offered. Kids need another solid year of fundamentals. Your genius will still rise to the top, don't worry. We're opting out our 6th grade AAP student from the Iowa test all together.


My kids have thrived throughout high school math after taking Algebra in or before 7th grade. Holding them back, as you propose, would have been a wasted year with the boredom potentially turning them off of math altogether. It's probably true that *your* kids need another solid year of fundamentals, but many kids who are smarter at math do not.

I have not encountered a single high school math teacher who has bemoaned having my kids accelerated into their class.
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2024 10:16     Subject: Iowa test
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am not sure, but if you have to worry about this - don't have your kid take Algebra.


Just don't have your 7th grader take algebra, period. I've had more than one HS math teacher bemoan that it's even offered. Kids need another solid year of fundamentals. Your genius will still rise to the top, don't worry. We're opting out our 6th grade AAP student from the Iowa test all together.


I think someone said this on a different thread re Honors/AAP courses and whether one should sign up or take it easy by going regular route. You give your child the opportunity to succeed and allow them the grace to fail, without judgment. Taking advanced math earlier is not a bad idea. What's a bad idea is to associate performance metrics associated with taking the class (i.e., must get all As). I don't have a genius math kid, but I have a kid that likes math and seems to be doing OK in 6th grade AAP and maintaining good grades on exams. I don't think it's a good idea to ever hold back this kid if they like a subject and isn't falling behind. If nothing else, your kid will learn Algebra concepts earlier, maybe struggle through some concepts, but will still come out ahead on the learning (even if they decided to repeat it). Holding kids back in any subject isn't a way to develop or encourage a growth mindset.

[The above doesn't apply to the 6th grade AAP kid that is still struggling with multiplication. There are some! Obviously between the SOL test threshold and the IAAT, these kids will be screened out anyway.]
Anonymous
Post 01/10/2024 10:02     Subject: Iowa test
Anonymous wrote:I am not sure, but if you have to worry about this - don't have your kid take Algebra.


Just don't have your 7th grader take algebra, period. I've had more than one HS math teacher bemoan that it's even offered. Kids need another solid year of fundamentals. Your genius will still rise to the top, don't worry. We're opting out our 6th grade AAP student from the Iowa test all together.
Anonymous
Post 01/09/2024 10:23     Subject: Iowa test
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know approximately how many questions you can get wrong on the IOWA and still score high enough for algebra?


As many as 10 total (or 2.5 per section), see pg 10/11 which lists the 91% percentile at 50/60. Parent wisdom, however, is to not push Algebra unless your child scores a near perfect score: I'd say 58 or more (our 5th grader scored a 60/60, so the test for a mathematically advanced child who has been doing math regularly and competitively during their ES years is a breeze).

Interestingly, though, nobody really knows what the currently administered version of the IAAT is calibrated by and using which statistical methods. This was previously discussed on this forum, and no one has been able to contribute authoritative information. What we know is that it's a

- a nationally normed test, but the norms are probably not recent
- probably using statistical methods such fitting a multivariate model to a normal curve
- proprietary

Anonymous
Post 01/06/2024 15:37     Subject: Iowa test
I am not sure, but if you have to worry about this - don't have your kid take Algebra.