I just saw that the entire window/door area flew off on an Alaska airlines flight on a 737 max!

We had to be diverted recently on a 737 max. They said it was the de-icer but we landed in another airport with similar air temps.

Scary ride in Portland! NYT article it was a new Max 8. Wonder which plant (SC or WA) built it.

Anonymous wrote:I never pick this plane when I see it on the roster, am I crazy? Does it matter to you when you see it listed?

I guess your anxiety had just increased.

Anonymous wrote:Loose bolts? Published today.

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/29/1222228617/boeing-737-max-jets-faa-loose-bolts-nuts

"No in-service incidents have been attributed to lost or missing hardware, according to Boeing."

These types of things are quite common. Part of the reason commercial aircraft are so safe, because of these systems

Loose bolts? Published today.

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/29/1222228617/boeing-737-max-jets-faa-loose-bolts-nuts

Anonymous wrote:Just flew AA on an international trip and had no idea until after we landed that I had been flying the 737 MAX 8. The entire time I kept thinking what a smooth ride it was, even when we hit a few bumps. Is the MAX 8 a newer model of the plane that had issues? Tbh, I don’t love that I was on it now that I know the model, but I guess this model makes up a large portion of their fleet.

It’s the same model.

Just flew AA on an international trip and had no idea until after we landed that I had been flying the 737 MAX 8. The entire time I kept thinking what a smooth ride it was, even when we hit a few bumps. Is the MAX 8 a newer model of the plane that had issues? Tbh, I don’t love that I was on it now that I know the model, but I guess this model makes up a large portion of their fleet.

I generally do not care to pay attention to which model commercial aircraft I fly. I assume I have flown plenty of 737 Maxes since they lawn darted.

The 737 Max is probably the most studied airliner in the world. The recertification process after the crashes was intense.

If a US based airline or a long time established international airline, no problem. But I don’t make a habit of flying many smaller and younger international airlines if I can help it.

I worked for a Boeing customer on a design team for a different model before the first delivery date of the MAX. Knowing how the certification process works and how the original design/MCAS certification process “worked” gives me the heebie jeebies. The very, very inconsequential plane bits that I dealt with were more scrutinized and tested before flight than the MCAS software and sensors.

I don’t avoid the MAX on purpose but so far I have just out of sheer luck.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. [b] The engines don’t fit the plane so the pilots literally cannot determine how to fly the plane in certain circumstances so you are betting the software works. Approved by the same regulators that approved the engines. [b]Any new orders for the 737 Max? I don’t actually know but the market for brand new planes is pretty sophisticated…

Are you joking? Boeing has a massive order book for the 737 Max. They have had 1500 net orders in the last 3 years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_and_deliveries

I love how people think they are aeronautical engineers here.

and 500 + orders cancelled in 2020 and crazy incentives on the post crash sales but let’s not split hairs. The bolded is factually correct. Good enough for some, but to answer OP, not good enough for this passenger.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. The engines don’t fit the plane so the pilots literally cannot determine how to fly the plane in certain circumstances so you are betting the software works. Approved by the same regulators that approved the engines. Any new orders for the 737 Max? I don’t actually know but the market for brand new planes is pretty sophisticated…

Are you joking? Boeing has a massive order book for the 737 Max. They have had 1500 net orders in the last 3 years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_and_deliveries

I love how people think they are aeronautical engineers here.

To that point, how many here don't step foot into a car? Your odds of death/major injury are literally thousands of times higher per mile in a car versus a plane.