Anonymous
12/25/2023 19:25
Subject: Girls ECNL MidAtlantic Soccer Club Statistics Across All Age Groups
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are there just 2 ECNL clubs in Carolina? That explains a lot as to why they are good. What if there were only 2 ECNL options in all of Virginia?
No. There are 6 ecnl clubs in NC. 7 in VA. I think the point is that in Raleigh, the 2 ecnl clubs don’t poach from each other like they do in NoVa. More of a 1a and 1b team so they can concentrate their talent into 1 dominant team. If NoVa could do this, it would be like 7-8 years ago when a local team would be competing for nationals (e.g., McLean)
NCFC is NC Courage’s 2nd team.
CSA has 11 branches in the Charlotte/South Carolina area.
Courage and NCFC are separate clubs.
Anonymous
12/25/2023 18:52
Subject: Girls ECNL MidAtlantic Soccer Club Statistics Across All Age Groups
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are there just 2 ECNL clubs in Carolina? That explains a lot as to why they are good. What if there were only 2 ECNL options in all of Virginia?
No. There are 6 ecnl clubs in NC. 7 in VA. I think the point is that in Raleigh, the 2 ecnl clubs don’t poach from each other like they do in NoVa. More of a 1a and 1b team so they can concentrate their talent into 1 dominant team. If NoVa could do this, it would be like 7-8 years ago when a local team would be competing for nationals (e.g., McLean)
NCFC is NC Courage’s 2nd team.
CSA has 11 branches in the Charlotte/South Carolina area.
Anonymous
12/25/2023 18:50
Subject: Girls ECNL MidAtlantic Soccer Club Statistics Across All Age Groups
Anonymous wrote:Are there just 2 ECNL clubs in Carolina? That explains a lot as to why they are good. What if there were only 2 ECNL options in all of Virginia?
No. There are 6 ecnl clubs in NC. 7 in VA. I think the point is that in Raleigh, the 2 ecnl clubs don’t poach from each other like they do in NoVa. More of a 1a and 1b team so they can concentrate their talent into 1 dominant team. If NoVa could do this, it would be like 7-8 years ago when a local team would be competing for nationals (e.g., McLean)
Anonymous
12/25/2023 18:33
Subject: Girls ECNL MidAtlantic Soccer Club Statistics Across All Age Groups
Are there just 2 ECNL clubs in Carolina? That explains a lot as to why they are good. What if there were only 2 ECNL options in all of Virginia?
Anonymous
12/25/2023 14:56
Subject: Girls ECNL MidAtlantic Soccer Club Statistics Across All Age Groups
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nerds!
Yes, I am a data nerd! Thanks for the recognition.
Anonymous wrote:NVA has the highest win %?
Keep in mind that the winning percentage is based on games played by each team, which is quite varied at this point of the season. Winning percentage doesn't mean a heck of a lot until every club has played all their games. But several threads on this board have posters making broad claims about this club winning more than that club, hence the focus on wins in the original post.
Anonymous wrote:If you think winning percentage is an important part of youth sports, at any level, you are part of the problem.
I actually don't think winning percentage is at all important for individual player assessment, but you would have to admit there are lots of debates on this board related to the quality of clubs and quality of coaching. I do believe that better clubs tend to have (or develop) better players, and teams with better coaching are positively correlated to wining more games. I don't disagree with your point that win/loss records are more of a distraction to the broader purpose of youth sports. One reason I kept this data at the club level was to see if any clubs separated themselves on average from other clubs across most age groups. Why are NC Courage and Charlotte SA a step up from other clubs in the same region? Maybe it’s the water down there? Or maybe these clubs are better at developing and using the talent they have? Maybe they just got lucky?
You must be new. CSA and NC Courage are mega clubs with very little competition around them for players. It’s a numbers game.
Anonymous
12/24/2023 20:29
Subject: Re:Girls ECNL MidAtlantic Soccer Club Statistics Across All Age Groups
Anonymous wrote:Arlington 2011 girls have actually gotten better, not worse. One of their best goal scorers is new this season.
Weren’t they already scoring goals last year. No question they are dominating around the DMV but they don’t seem to score that many goals outside DMV this season or in tournament that teams are from all over the place.
It will be interesting to see how they match up in Jeff Cup. They have a couple of really strong players that have been holding the team but once the other teams catch up on sizes and speed, these couple of kids won’t be able to hold the team much longer if their teammates aren’t progressing.
Anonymous
12/24/2023 16:34
Subject: Girls ECNL MidAtlantic Soccer Club Statistics Across All Age Groups
Here’s hoping the better players find a better place to thrive for their sake
Anonymous
12/24/2023 15:51
Subject: Re:Girls ECNL MidAtlantic Soccer Club Statistics Across All Age Groups
Anonymous wrote:Arlington 2011 girls have actually gotten better, not worse. One of their best goal scorers is new this season.
Come back at u16. Seriously there is a big difference between u13 and u16. The older they get the more important speed of play becomes- one touch passing, technical skills, IQ, seeing the passes(both on defense and offense), able to work in tight spaces, etc. You need it in the midfield and the players have to do it under pressure. The athleticism and speed tends to equalize.
Anonymous
12/24/2023 15:49
Subject: Girls ECNL MidAtlantic Soccer Club Statistics Across All Age Groups
NC Courage and NCFC are the same academy with Courage being the intended top team. So the results follow and it gives sense of overall club size to support 2 ECNL teams. Size drives statistics over time as much as any other factor
Anonymous
12/24/2023 15:43
Subject: Re:Girls ECNL MidAtlantic Soccer Club Statistics Across All Age Groups
Anonymous wrote:Arlington 2011 girls have actually gotten better, not worse. One of their best goal scorers is new this season.
Nobody said they got worse. PP stated that Arlington teams get worse as they get older. 08 is the latest example. 2nd place last year. 1 win so far this year.
Anonymous
12/24/2023 14:41
Subject: Girls ECNL MidAtlantic Soccer Club Statistics Across All Age Groups
Anonymous wrote:Nerds!
Yes, I am a data nerd! Thanks for the recognition.
Anonymous wrote:NVA has the highest win %?
Keep in mind that the winning percentage is based on games played by each team, which is quite varied at this point of the season. Winning percentage doesn't mean a heck of a lot until every club has played all their games. But several threads on this board have posters making broad claims about this club winning more than that club, hence the focus on wins in the original post.
Anonymous wrote:If you think winning percentage is an important part of youth sports, at any level, you are part of the problem.
I actually don't think winning percentage is at all important for individual player assessment, but you would have to admit there are lots of debates on this board related to the quality of clubs and quality of coaching. I do believe that better clubs tend to have (or develop) better players, and teams with better coaching are positively correlated to wining more games. I don't disagree with your point that win/loss records are more of a distraction to the broader purpose of youth sports. One reason I kept this data at the club level was to see if any clubs separated themselves on average from other clubs across most age groups. Why are NC Courage and Charlotte SA a step up from other clubs in the same region? Maybe its the water down there? Or maybe these clubs are better at developing and using the talent they have? Maybe they just got lucky?
Anonymous
12/24/2023 13:15
Subject: Re:Girls ECNL MidAtlantic Soccer Club Statistics Across All Age Groups
Arlington 2011 girls have actually gotten better, not worse. One of their best goal scorers is new this season.
Anonymous
12/24/2023 08:40
Subject: Girls ECNL MidAtlantic Soccer Club Statistics Across All Age Groups
Arlington 2011 is brought up a lot here. Would be interesting to see how they do at the playoff and if their “best player(s)” would jump ship. Seem like most of them have been there from the start so maybe less jumping.
Anonymous
12/23/2023 11:28
Subject: Girls ECNL MidAtlantic Soccer Club Statistics Across All Age Groups
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For girls, I'd just average U15/U16/U17 to get an idea of strength. U18/19 can really drop off, because most of the better girls have already signed. Before U15 is still very much developmental and not always a fair reflection. Some clubs are more "win first" than others at the younger ages.
NP, and this makes no sense. ECNL starts at a certain age for a reason. I’m all for leaving out pre-ECNL, but once they’re playing 11v11, leaving out certain age groups ignores a big piece of the picture. Arlington 2011s are a perfect case in point.
No only a few older age groups matter. ECNL is about getting in to college. So U15-u17 are the important year groups and this is when the teams need to win for nationals. Arguably U16 is the most important for most players, followed closely by u17 with u15 bring up the rear. This also depends on the player. The standout players are ID earlier(u15) and everyone else needs the U16/17 seasons.
Arlington has a pattern of their teams being top of the younger age groups. As they progress through the age groups their teams tumble down the tables. The reasons have been fully discussed on this board. If the pattern holds the ‘11 will be mid to lower table in two years. The ‘08’s were much more hyped vs ‘11. Look where they are now. Remember losing can cause a feed back loop where your “best” players will jump ship.
Anonymous
12/23/2023 09:10
Subject: Girls ECNL MidAtlantic Soccer Club Statistics Across All Age Groups
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For girls, I'd just average U15/U16/U17 to get an idea of strength. U18/19 can really drop off, because most of the better girls have already signed. Before U15 is still very much developmental and not always a fair reflection. Some clubs are more "win first" than others at the younger ages.
NP, and this makes no sense. ECNL starts at a certain age for a reason. I’m all for leaving out pre-ECNL, but once they’re playing 11v11, leaving out certain age groups ignores a big piece of the picture. Arlington 2011s are a perfect case in point.
Why?