Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:
Why should be incentivize marriage, OP?

Dp. Heard a really good interview with her on npr. Basically she argues we throw tons of money at school and welfare programs for struggling kids and get very poor outcomes for that money (especially for boys.). If we instead invested in getting and keeping parents married we’d be making a much better investment.

The trick is how do you do that? And her answer seems to be we need to ensure good paying blue collar jobs for men. Otherwise women cant/won’t marry them when they get pregnant.

I'd agree with all of this.

You'd be remiss to think that women don't marry in order to make sure they still have social welfare programs though. I worked a low wage job through college and it was eye opening. My coworkers knew to the hour how much they had to work and not work in order to make sure their wages fell below the amount needed for different programs. Quite a few lived together, but refused to get married because they'd lose benefits. Instead they were engaged.

This. I interviewed at least 30 women for an open position in Maryland that we needed to fill with someone working 38 hours. The position paid workers comp, vacation, SS etc. At least 16 of the women told me they could not work more than 18 hours.
After talking to multiple women who would not accept a fulltime job I realized they lose the money that hits their "card" from the government. Multiple women told me they could not work more than 18 hours. Essentially business people compete against the government benefits for workers. Government programs disincentivizes women to work and get promoted and get ahead.

In my experience the single Moms would be better off married with a partner to help out in emergencies and to provide a second income. I've had to put $1500 on my credit card to get a single Mom's car released from the repo man so she would have transportation to come to work. This was for a nice lady who had zero network of support. I've never once heard her mention the daughter's father.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Why should be incentivize marriage, OP?

Dp. Heard a really good interview with her on npr. Basically she argues we throw tons of money at school and welfare programs for struggling kids and get very poor outcomes for that money (especially for boys.). If we instead invested in getting and keeping parents married we’d be making a much better investment.

The trick is how do you do that? And her answer seems to be we need to ensure good paying blue collar jobs for men. Otherwise women cant/won’t marry them when they get pregnant.

That’s fine but we also need to make birth control easy and free, especially post Dobbs. Many/most of these single parents can’t afford the kid from the start.

Birth control is easy and free. People are idiots.

-woman who has gotten intentionally pregant on the first time 3 times and never accidentally

Only if you have health insurance which is neither easy nor free in our country. Birth control should be available from a pharmacist.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Why should be incentivize marriage, OP?

Dp. Heard a really good interview with her on npr. Basically she argues we throw tons of money at school and welfare programs for struggling kids and get very poor outcomes for that money (especially for boys.). If we instead invested in getting and keeping parents married we’d be making a much better investment.

The trick is how do you do that? And her answer seems to be we need to ensure good paying blue collar jobs for men. Otherwise women cant/won’t marry them when they get pregnant.

That’s fine but we also need to make birth control easy and free, especially post Dobbs. Many/most of these single parents can’t afford the kid from the start.

Birth control is easy and free. People are idiots.

-woman who has gotten intentionally pregant on the first time 3 times and never accidentally

Free maybe. Easy depends on where you live and what sort of transportation you have and how well you remember to do something at the same time each day. And yes, people are idiots, and I’d prefer to prevent those idiots from procreating rather than punish them for being idiots by making them birth idiot children I then have to help them take care of.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Why should be incentivize marriage, OP?

Dp. Heard a really good interview with her on npr. Basically she argues we throw tons of money at school and welfare programs for struggling kids and get very poor outcomes for that money (especially for boys.). If we instead invested in getting and keeping parents married we’d be making a much better investment.

The trick is how do you do that? And her answer seems to be we need to ensure good paying blue collar jobs for men. Otherwise women cant/won’t marry them when they get pregnant.

That’s fine but we also need to make birth control easy and free, especially post Dobbs. Many/most of these single parents can’t afford the kid from the start.

Birth control is easy and free. People are idiots.

-woman who has gotten intentionally pregant on the first time 3 times and never accidentally

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Why should be incentivize marriage, OP?

Dp. Heard a really good interview with her on npr. Basically she argues we throw tons of money at school and welfare programs for struggling kids and get very poor outcomes for that money (especially for boys.). If we instead invested in getting and keeping parents married we’d be making a much better investment.

The trick is how do you do that? And her answer seems to be we need to ensure good paying blue collar jobs for men. Otherwise women cant/won’t marry them when they get pregnant.

That’s fine but we also need to make birth control easy and free, especially post Dobbs. Many/most of these single parents can’t afford the kid from the start.

Anonymous wrote:A society with high male unemployment will fall apart. Violence,uprisings, antisocial behavior, fatherless children. A society with high female unemployment is...Japan. One matters more than the other. Sorry if that bothers you.

44% of the Japanese workforce is women. Or do you mean a country with low female employment like Saudi Arabia? Should we be more like Saudi Arabia?

A society with high male unemployment will fall apart. Violence,uprisings, antisocial behavior, fatherless children. A society with high female unemployment is...Japan. One matters more than the other. Sorry if that bothers you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Why should be incentivize marriage, OP?

Dp. Heard a really good interview with her on npr. Basically she argues we throw tons of money at school and welfare programs for struggling kids and get very poor outcomes for that money (especially for boys.). If we instead invested in getting and keeping parents married we’d be making a much better investment.

The trick is how do you do that? And her answer seems to be we need to ensure good paying blue collar jobs for men. Otherwise women cant/won’t marry them when they get pregnant.

This is like suggesting we undo global capitalism and labor offshoring. Seems a bit wishful and kind of retrogressive, unless you are talking protectionist measures that will drive up costs.

How does she suggest we do the "ensuring" of those jobs?

Other developed countries have managed to do it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/business/german-election-jobs.html

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The trick is how do you do that? And her answer seems to be we need to ensure good paying blue collar jobs for men. Otherwise women cant/won’t marry them when they get pregnant.

This is the solution.

I read an article yesterday about generic cancer drugs having massive shortages. The US government should build our own plants and staff them with union labor.

Flaming liberal who thinks that even Trump would go for that.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Why should be incentivize marriage, OP?

Dp. Heard a really good interview with her on npr. Basically she argues we throw tons of money at school and welfare programs for struggling kids and get very poor outcomes for that money (especially for boys.). If we instead invested in getting and keeping parents married we’d be making a much better investment.

The trick is how do you do that? And her answer seems to be we need to ensure good paying blue collar jobs for men. Otherwise women cant/won’t marry them when they get pregnant.

I'd agree with all of this.

You'd be remiss to think that women don't marry in order to make sure they still have social welfare programs though. I worked a low wage job through college and it was eye opening. My coworkers knew to the hour how much they had to work and not work in order to make sure their wages fell below the amount needed for different programs. Quite a few lived together, but refused to get married because they'd lose benefits. Instead they were engaged.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Why should be incentivize marriage, OP?

Dp. Heard a really good interview with her on npr. Basically she argues we throw tons of money at school and welfare programs for struggling kids and get very poor outcomes for that money (especially for boys.). If we instead invested in getting and keeping parents married we’d be making a much better investment.

The trick is how do you do that? And her answer seems to be we need to ensure good paying blue collar jobs for men. Otherwise women cant/won’t marry them when they get pregnant.

This is like suggesting we undo global capitalism and labor offshoring. Seems a bit wishful and kind of retrogressive, unless you are talking protectionist measures that will drive up costs.

How does she suggest we do the "ensuring" of those jobs?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Why should be incentivize marriage, OP?

Dp. Heard a really good interview with her on npr. Basically she argues we throw tons of money at school and welfare programs for struggling kids and get very poor outcomes for that money (especially for boys.). If we instead invested in getting and keeping parents married we’d be making a much better investment.

The trick is how do you do that? And her answer seems to be we need to ensure good paying blue collar jobs for men. Otherwise women cant/won’t marry them when they get pregnant.

Here is the interview from on point:
https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2023/11/27/the-benefit-of-the-two-parent-privilege

Anonymous wrote:There are so many interesting questions to ask about this topic that it’s kind of impressive that Bari Weiss doesn’t ask a single one.

OP here, and you're not wrong .

Anonymous wrote:
Why should be incentivize marriage, OP?

Dp. Heard a really good interview with her on npr. Basically she argues we throw tons of money at school and welfare programs for struggling kids and get very poor outcomes for that money (especially for boys.). If we instead invested in getting and keeping parents married we’d be making a much better investment.

The trick is how do you do that? And her answer seems to be we need to ensure good paying blue collar jobs for men. Otherwise women cant/won’t marry them when they get pregnant.

There are so many interesting questions to ask about this topic that it’s kind of impressive that Bari Weiss doesn’t ask a single one.